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PostPosted: 22:43 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just leave this here. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 04 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like 13 seats for Reform according to the exit poll.

Good result if it happens
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 04 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kick in the nuts for the SNP and Plaid Cumrag.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 04 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to be interesting how quickly Labour have to do things to keep people happy rather than whine about the tories.

I really hope they do well but I think it will turn to rat shit very quickly.
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PostPosted: 06:00 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not yave a TV licence, so cannot watch live, but it appears that Nigel, Richard Tice and Lee Anderson have all been elected.
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PostPosted: 06:32 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Going to be interesting how quickly Labour have to do things to keep people happy rather than whine about the tories.

I really hope they do well but I think it will turn to rat shit very quickly.


I think it'll turn to rat shit fairly slowly, like boiling a frog. As they realise that voting for something to happen doesn't make it happen. You have to make it happen, an intent for it to happen is not sufficient.

Such as doubling the number of houses being built.

I think they'll also get a nasty shock, much like Clegg did, when they try negotiating with the EU.
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PostPosted: 06:53 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just can't get excited about it one way or the other.

Presuming you do nothing with taxes - then what you have at your disposal to spend remains the same as there's a limit to what you can cut if you want to break free of austerity. So if you want to do 'more' then it's going to cost more, end of.

I'll still have to get up for work and my living costs aren't going to magically go down.

Similar but different might as well have been their manifesto.
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PostPosted: 07:12 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is rather interesting looking at the proportional representation votes, as Labour haven't really made that much of a gain, as it stands now, they have gained a 1.6% vote share across the UK

Its the Tories that have lost the most, 19.9% down

But its Reform that have made the biggest gain at 12.2% vote share

It does very much look like the Conservatives have performed the greatest self-immolation

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/results
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:
It is rather interesting looking at the proportional representation votes, as Labour haven't really made that much of a gain, as it stands now, they have gained a 1.6% vote share across the UK

Its the Tories that have lost the most, 19.9% down

But its Reform that have made the biggest gain at 12.2% vote share

It does very much look like the Conservatives have performed the greatest self-immolation

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/results


Almost everyone did well at the incumbents' expense: Tories imploding in England with SNP doing comparatively as badly in Scotland.

Thing is, no one actually came out to vote for Labour or the Lib Dems. Which suggests Reform and the Greens could both do much better if they get their respective acts together.
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
Looks like 13 seats for Reform according to the exit poll.

Good result if it happens


Didn't quite pan out like that. Was 4 seats with about 5 still counting.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Truss has been kicked into touch, but only by a tiny amount...
.... hard to believe that after what she did, that even the most ardent Tory felt she was worth their vote?
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
I see Truss has been kicked into touch, but only by a tiny amount...
.... hard to believe that after what she did, that even the most ardent Tory felt she was worth their vote?


I was just saying the exact same thing in the office this morning, how or why the hell she was still standing for election astounds me
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
Looks like 13 seats for Reform according to the exit poll.

Good result if it happens


Didn't quite pan out like that. Was 4 seats with about 5 still counting.


Funny how the numbers don't really bear any resemblence to the number of seats. LibDems 71 seats with 3,499,969 votes. Reform 4 seats with 4,092,209. SNP 9 seats with 708,759 votes.

No wonder the big 3 don't want PR.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only places that Reform won seats is where the Torys used to have a fucking massive majority so losing 30% to Reform gave Reform a majority. Everywhere else it just split the Tory vote leaving neither in first place.

In 3 out of 4 of the seats the Tories still came second and Labour got roughtly the same percentage as they got in the last election.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Making it rather more of a landslide Tory loss and a minor labour victory
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from the fact that there was a massive swing to Labour in the local elections and at virtually every by election and a large Labour majority as predicted before Reform started to put up candidates.

All that has happened is a load of people have voted Reform or Liberal rather than Laour.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
All that has happened is a load of people have voted Reform or Liberal rather than Laour.


Labour and Lib Dems are neither more or less popular than they've ever been. Lib Dem percentage share of vote didn't even go up 1%.

+12% for Reform and +4% for Greens is where all the Tory voters went, doesn't look like they stayed at home (which was the prediction prior to Farage throwing his hat in the ring.) Makes you wonder how the Greens might have done if Farage stuck with his original plan of heading to the US for their elections.

We still have the bad news of over 120 Tory MPs getting re-elected which effectively means they're the official opposition and enough "success" for the idiots in the party to go "see! see! this shows we need to lean into the Left more 'cos Labour won and they're Lefties" Rolling Eyes

Mark my words: the Conservative Party will learn nothing from this beating.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely you mean Politics and politicians?
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one has any appetite for Labour. They did not get voted in, it was the Tories that got voted out.

Lets face it, Starmer, love him or hate him has inherited an almost impossible task and the public are very keen to see change.

He cannot put any grandiose plans together because he has no money to spend.

He cannot cut jobs in the civil service and local government to ease public spending, because the unions will not allow it. They will continue to be the bloated, inefficient organisations they are currently.

Labours public approval ratings will crash as they just bounce along the seabed, unable to change much of any consequence and knowing Labour, will shoot themselves in the foot by introducing the very policies the public has already told them they do not want.

Starmer will be the scapegoat and will soon be attacked by the more rabid party members and ousted. I give him 18 months.

If ever any party did not want to win an election, it is this one.

I could almost feel sorry for Starmer. I think it will break him.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

EV mandate brought forward again that is going to cause huge resentment it isn't just no ICE after 2030 there is the escalating fines already in place just starting to really kick in.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
EV mandate brought forward again that is going to cause huge resentment it isn't just no ICE after 2030 there is the escalating fines already in place just starting to really kick in.


The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and wasn't the result of this election meant to be yet another "referendum on independence" for the SNP? Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

same shit, different day.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinkicker wrote:


He cannot cut jobs in the civil service and local government to ease public spending, because the unions will not allow it. They will continue to be the bloated, inefficient organisations they are currently.


Civil service cuts have been taking placee for the last 6 months. If you would prefer the private sector to do the same job by all means pay more for the same job, plus VAT and obbviously the profit.

The general pinciple in place is 2 out, 1 in when planning headcount costs.
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 05 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's some good news then. In the event of someone with some balls turning up (say in 5 years time) with the resolve to stop spending money we don't have it'll be much easier to jetson the private sector. No pensions to worry about either.
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