Bad instructor

paulyzf600 · Scooby Slapper Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Karma :

To be honest if an instructor informs you of a mistake I think it should be with a firm voice otherwise you will not think it is serious.

Say you pulled out in front of a car (I use this as an example cos I did this in my training) my instructor proceeded to give me a right ear bashing. This made me realise the seriuosnous of the act I pulled (although I knew already).

It would be a very bad idea for an instructor to give you confidence if you had made mistakes as you will not know whats right from wrong!
kind of like training a dog, if you treat them after say biting something they will think it's a good thing and will carry on doing it.

I think all instructors should be a little agresive in their instructing as it will teach ppl to be more serous with the task in hand.
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jimster · Spanner Monkey Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Karma :

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paulyzf600 · Scooby Slapper Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Karma :

Ah come on ok here is an example:

The trainee has just ran a red light and a car just swerves and misses him. The instructor has to say something.

firstly he/she are not going to ignore it and presume you have learnt your lesson.

and it would just not fit if they just said something along the lines of "oh well just don't do it again"

But it would really stamp it in your mind if they firmly told you what a dangerous stunt you have just pulled etc.

I did'nt say shouting down the mic to you I said a firm voice.

I am one with the opinion that ppl don't get enough training before riding a bike on the public roads and I'd say that having instructors that are not shy to say that you can't ride a bike is what the country needs. Ok they are not going to just say you can't ride but they should not be positive if you keep making mistakes.
Thats my point with the dog training thing (you obviously did not understand) If you keep making a mistake and the instructor is positive about such mistakes you will not learn though if the instructor actually says that you can't do something you will realise that you have to work on this and correct it.
It's like on U-turn if you stick your foot down the instructor should inform you that it's a fail whats the point in saying you are nearly there better luck next time!

My instructor was a very very good instructor but can judge a charactor straight away so will know how to talk to ppl. Some ppl would need more of an ear bashing for it to actually get through to them.

Back to the original post though mate if you are not sure of these points then the question has to be asked Are you ready for the test? ok so you may have past but does this make you ready for the roads?
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fuzz · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Mar 2004 Karma :

I have to agree with paul here. The instructors I had were like this, and I think it makes you learn alot quicker. It's not anything like being a naughty schoolboy. You're paying them to teach you to pass/be safer, and if they need to tell you "That was F***ing shit!" then they should. When you stop off and talk about it, do they continue shouting? No, they talk to you on why it was appaling/dangerous person to person, not teacher to student.

If you get an ear bashing while riding, don't take it personal, set it as a goal. Think to yourself, 'Right, I'll show him!'

It can be annoying with a one way radio, but when you stop off and talk it through, you get the chance to explain why you did it, and get some friendly advice on how to do it better next time.
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paulyzf600 · Scooby Slapper Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Karma :

Cheers Fuzz thats exactly what I am thinking and how it should be.
You just explained it better....lol.
Specially the "making it a goal" bit thats what I used to do to all the time and now I always remember my training as I link situations back to what my instructor told me etc etc
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jimster · Spanner Monkey Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Karma :

Well, maybe you learn best through firm "army style" training, but I don't.
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VFR400UK · Scooby Slapper Joined: 29 Jun 2004 Karma :

In theory you only actually need to do a left lifesafer (don't confuse a life save with a shoulder check) if there is a very real chance of being undertaken such as if there is a cycle lane to your left. In that situation you wound need to do a left life saver when doing a major to minor or minor to major.

Mim · Nova Slayer Joined: 12 Jun 2005 Karma :

I totally agree with Jimster, I'm not the type of person who can take "a talking to". If an instructor was like that with me I would lose my temper Evil or Very Mad

. It would also give your confidence a bashing, is that not worse out on the road when inexperienced and nervous anyway?
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jimster · Spanner Monkey Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Karma :

paulyzf600 · Scooby Slapper Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Karma :

Sorry I have to say but stop being soft! its a bloody serious thing and making a mistake can get you killed in seconds it's not something to sit around and have a light chat about congratulating you on everything you have done to keep your confidence up.
So long as the instructor explains after the lesson what should have been done etc.
You DON'T take it personally! you are there to learn not to have a nice time!!!
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jimster · Spanner Monkey Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Karma :

paulyzf600 · Scooby Slapper Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Karma :

Ok we will agree to disagree. Don't get me wrong I do understand where you are coming from and in any other situation I my self can not stand beng spoken to in any abrupt manner.

I just think that being that there are so many important points to get across it should be done in such a way maybe that way we would'nt end up with so many 17 year olds acting like idiots on scooters etc. (not saying they all do).

Oh and it's Paul! The YZF600 is the name of my bike! hence paulyzf600

Peace
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jimster · Spanner Monkey Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Karma :

Fair enough!
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simonthepiema... · Renault 5 Driver Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Karma :

Hi Jimster

Sorry to hear of all the trouble you've had following my erm....... recommendation. I feel bad you didn't get on with them (I guess sometimes instructors and pupils dont quit match) but at least you passed mate. Nice one!

jimster · Spanner Monkey Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Karma :

Did anyone see Lord of the Rings?
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