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| max power wrote: | | Hetzer wrote: |
What would you prefer, that person B dress his response up in some rational-sounding disguise, like the nazis? Personally I'd rather see the true colour of a person's cloth. |
Disguise it....no.I think it`s everyones right to stand up and be proud about the things they believe in.
Be rational....yes.Just because someone may not like,or agree with another persons views,creed,etc...does that give them the right to go and (for example) beat them half to death because thats what they FEEL like doing?
What i want on BCF doesnt matter,and i wouldnt get it on a forum like this anyway......which is why i sit on the edge a lot and gaze in amazement at some of the neanderthal comments made.
I think evolution came to a halt for some of the people on this site....and thats my calm,rational,opinion. |
Beat them half to death? You've started stretching a bit, if you're still trying to illustrate a perceived problem with posts on the forum.
You're never going to get a coffee with cream with all cream. And it would taste pretty shite if you did. Think of it as most for the taste with a bit for the nourishment. Kind of thang goin' on, blud, innit.
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| max power wrote: | | Hetzer wrote: |
Beat them half to death? You've started stretching a bit, if you're still trying to illustrate a perceived problem with posts on the forum.. |
ok i`ll rephrase.Use the words abuse,insult,purposely try to offend and annoy instead of "beat to death"
Makes no difference though coz i suspect you`re going to say it`s ok anyway and people should get a thicker skin (or something along those lines that passes the buck onto the receiver instead of the instigator).
| Hetzer wrote: | You're never going to get a coffee with cream with all cream. And it would taste pretty shite if you did. Think of it as most for the taste with a bit for the nourishment. Kind of thang goin' on, blud, innit. |
Further discussion about this is obviously futile...
and using "ghetto speak" was a bad call on your part.
I told you i`m mixed race....so that means i must walk with a limp and "chatter" like one of comptons finest does it.
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Oh dear, I used 'ghetto-speak'. I guess I should have anticipated that would circumvent your sense of humour. And we wonder why we keep getting these stories about xmas being banned.
My children are mixed race. I suppose I better start preparing them for the big bad world..."Any comments that might, possibly, reference mixed race...or any race actually...here's how you sulk. Then demand compensation and a change in the law, to BAN it...and go for a bit of affirmitive action too...milk that puppy for all it's worth..."
See, I saw your comment about being mixed race, then it flew completely out of my head, mainly because race, colour, it means squat to me. That's supposed to be good, isn't it? Oh dear, maybe I better read the PC manual again..."How to address a person of mixed race, acceptable humour, comments, dos and don'ts..."
Get over yourself, I'd have finished that post exactly the same regardless of your racial status.
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Oh dear, I used 'ghetto-speak'. I guess I should have anticipated that would circumvent your sense of humour. |
I wish you would`ve.
I was brought up around "white folk" and their daily black jokes,attempts at street slang coz "that`s how coloureds speak...isnt it) and many other irritations that i dont care to get into these days.
but i`m not offended by it if thats what you`re thinking...i just find it tiresome to still be witness to it 40 years later.
| Hetzer wrote: | My children are mixed race. I suppose I better start preparing them for the big bad world..."Any comments that might, possibly, reference mixed race...or any race actually...here's how you sulk. Then demand compensation and a change in the law, to BAN it...and go for a bit of affirmitive action too...milk that puppy for all it's worth...". |
wow..and you said I was stretching things only a moment ago..lol
Good luck bringing up your kids,thankfully you should have an easier time of it these days (depending where you live/social attitudes etc).
I was raised out in the sticks,and we were the first mixed race family to move into a bigotted middle class white neighbourhood in the 60s.....it wasn`t easy,and it traumatised me to be honest...lol:..wouldnt wish that on anyone!
| Hetzer wrote: | "How to address a person of mixed race, dos and don'ts..." |
I`ll give you a tip.
Address "them" the same way as you would everyone else (unless you know them and it`s acceptable to banter between yourselves).
If you normally use "black" american street slang when you speak to your "white/local" friends...fair enough.If not,dont do it.There`s nothing funny about it.It just makes you look stupid,a touch ignorant,and to some of "us"...a little bit racist.
| Hetzer wrote: | Get over yourself, I'd have finished that post exactly the same regardless of your racial status. |
I`m too grounded to need to get over myself.....so ease up
but if you`d end that post the same way regardless as you say......i`ll just have to take your word for that wont i (despite not seeing you reply that way in any of your other replies elsewhere on the forum). 
thanks for the chat...its been....how can i put it......enlightening
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| Posted: 13:46 - 16 Nov 2009 Post subject: |
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| Hetzer wrote: | I won't donate to any charity that has paid staff, |
Out of interest, CLIC Sargent's accounts show :-
| Quote: | Employees receiving annual gross salaries in the following range: No.
£60,001 to £70,000 2
£70,001 to £80,000 2
£80,001 to £90,000 1
£90,001 to £100,000 1 |
So that's a minimum of £430,000 going on just 6 people, and they employ 390.
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| airpig wrote: | There's too many soap-boxes flying around here!
My final words (as we're going off subject!) are that I was not expecting abuse when I came on here. If you don't want to give to charity then don't, but please don't insult those that do. At the end of the day I am taking part in a charitable event organised by the charity (and it certainly isn't to give me a summer holiday). I haven't laid down the rules; but merely joining in the spirit of them. All I would say is that if it is that easy, then rather than slate honest folk trying to do something that benefits others, sign up to it and do something positive.
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But it's the fact that nearly 50% of people's 'donations' to charity, pay for your trip. Not towards the charity. That's stretching it a little bit.
It's not abuse, but you did not mention this in your original post, and it's a ride you will enjoy, not a challenge, so it does some like a leisurely event that is subsidized by donations for charity.
Like if you were paying the bit that went to Classical Tours, then people would have no quarms. I'm trying to be rational here, not insulting/flaming. |
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| Posted: 14:33 - 16 Nov 2009 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Employees receiving annual gross salaries in the following range: No.
£60,001 to £70,000 2
£70,001 to £80,000 2
£80,001 to £90,000 1
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Charity is big business these days, hence all the frigging 'give £2 a month to save a donkey' adverts.
There have been many people post on BCF trying to get sponsered for a ride, remember Samcaplat? I'm afraid I'm with the others. It's all commendable doing something to raise money for charity, but it does get my back up when some (not the OP) are lining the pockets of the rich, as shown by Shaggy's quote. If you want to do a sponsored ride, then all proceeds should go to the charity, not funding the trip itself. That's my opinion and that's why my money goes elsewhere.
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| Posted: 15:28 - 16 Nov 2009 Post subject: |
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Out of interest, CLIC Sargent's accounts show :-
| Quote: | Employees receiving annual gross salaries in the following range: No.
£60,001 to £70,000 2
£70,001 to £80,000 2
£80,001 to £90,000 1
£90,001 to £100,000 1 |
So that's a minimum of £430,000 going on just 6 people, and they employ 390. |
Employ 390 ? lol
The Sally Army 'employ' over 100,000 worldwide and thats on top of the 5 million volunteers.
They dont have a UK headquarters like this for nothing:
https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/arts/2005/01/17/salvation372.jpg
I dont think it is possible to give to a true charity nowadays (if there ever was such a thing).
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| max power wrote: | As much as people want to contribute to charitys and do the best they can...there`s not many who`ll be prepared to,or could afford to,fund the whole thing themselves out of their own pocket and give away all the proceeds. |
There's many many people that do selflessly give time and money to charity.
| Quote: | Turning charity into a profitable business is something far more "immoral" than using some of your sponsorship money to fund an event. |
Not sure taking advantage of this commercialisation for your own personal gain to dupe your friends into paying for your holiday is very moral either.*
Sadly it does make sense for charities to employ paid and sometimes highly paid staff and contractors.
For instance, accounts done well could save thousands or millions in various ways, yet most charities are very unlikely to be able to find someone willing to do it to that level on a voluntary basis.
I find it kind of sad that the country begrudges the people running our country a few in-office perks, when top people elsewhere are 'worth' so much more to independent organisations.
Similarly, chugger companies, I believe someone on here previously mentioned, can have top marketing people getting well over £100k, which means that they're going to have to make their company a fair bit more than that on an hourly basis. However, if the charity paying for them gets £5m in for a £1m payment, they're still probably going to be significantly better off.
I don't think the way it works is 'right', but I don't offer a solution. My personal solution is to generally only give to small charities that I'm absolutely sure are 100% volunteer and don't use expensive marketing etc. On that, they may well still, say, be making a healthy profit for a local catering equipment company, who they are getting some soup heaters, cookers and paper plates from.
Anyway, big or small, I am happy to get people to clarify where charitable money goes. In the case of the other thread, it was made clear that the money being asked by the other poster was going straight to the charity, sure it offered her some gain still (while she paid for the holiday, she couldn't go on it without the extra), she did confirm she was covering all the *costs* incurred, so *all* the donated money was going to the charity.
* This may not be what the OP believed they were doing, but if you consider it, this is effectively what they are doing and certainly is exactly what the marketing company wants. |
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Read the whole thread Penfold ...
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| max power wrote: | | Hetzer wrote: |
Oh dear, I used 'ghetto-speak'. I guess I should have anticipated that would circumvent your sense of humour. |
I wish you would`ve.
I was brought up around "white folk" and their daily black jokes,attempts at street slang coz "that`s how coloureds speak...isnt it) and many other irritations that i dont care to get into these days.
but i`m not offended by it if thats what you`re thinking...i just find it tiresome to still be witness to it 40 years later.
| Hetzer wrote: | My children are mixed race. I suppose I better start preparing them for the big bad world..."Any comments that might, possibly, reference mixed race...or any race actually...here's how you sulk. Then demand compensation and a change in the law, to BAN it...and go for a bit of affirmitive action too...milk that puppy for all it's worth...". |
wow..and you said I was stretching things only a moment ago..lol
Good luck bringing up your kids,thankfully you should have an easier time of it these days (depending where you live/social attitudes etc).
I was raised out in the sticks,and we were the first mixed race family to move into a bigotted middle class white neighbourhood in the 60s.....it wasn`t easy,and it traumatised me to be honest...lol:..wouldnt wish that on anyone!
| Hetzer wrote: | "How to address a person of mixed race, dos and don'ts..." |
I`ll give you a tip.
Address "them" the same way as you would everyone else (unless you know them and it`s acceptable to banter between yourselves).
If you normally use "black" american street slang when you speak to your "white/local" friends...fair enough.If not,dont do it.There`s nothing funny about it.It just makes you look stupid,a touch ignorant,and to some of "us"...a little bit racist.
| Hetzer wrote: | Get over yourself, I'd have finished that post exactly the same regardless of your racial status. |
I`m too grounded to need to get over myself.....so ease up
but if you`d end that post the same way regardless as you say......i`ll just have to take your word for that wont i (despite not seeing you reply that way in any of your other replies elsewhere on the forum).
thanks for the chat...its been....how can i put it......enlightening |
I've used 'ghetto speak' in posts before, and a few others too. Sometimes randomly, for no particular reason, other times to make myself laugh. Or whatever. The idea that it could or would be racially motivated...lawzee me massah, you done got me aaaaall wrong!
See, that's melon-field.
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He was joking Watson, don't look too much into it.
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