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PostPosted: 10:47 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:

You mean the impact on the hospitality sector which has already suffered the most economically through lockdown?


A lot more than that, apparently the reason supermarkets have already started punting xmas stuff is because they know come the cold weather nobody's going to be spending.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BTW fish & chips are next:

Chip shops face 'extinction' amid cost of living crisis

It was £2 for a bag of chips last year, £2.20 at the start of this year and now my local shop is up to £2.40.


Of course, we could always kick the French out of our waters and take back our own fish, rebuild our fishing industry.
Oh, Brexit could be a wonderful thing! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently the French aren't really keen on our waters on account of all the shit we're pumping into it.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBF we should all (UK + EU, Scandinavia) lay off the popular catches in the North Sea for a few decades and let fish stocks recover. Fish for the more obscure stuff that's doing okay; it's gonna be battered anyway Smile
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Apparently the French aren't really keen on our waters on account of all the shit we're pumping into it.


Good....good....the plan is working...MWAHAHHAAA...ahem, wait what???
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Things have to be bad for the French to be put off by shit Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Apparently the French aren't really keen on our waters on account of all the shit we're pumping into it.


"We"? Apparently, over 70% of our water companies are owned by foreign interests.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the laws of this country that allows them to do it.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
It's the laws of this country that allows them to do it.


Do you know which laws, what they say that allows it? Just curious.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the environment agency that polices such things say its okay so I'll leave knowing which law allows it tho them
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Well the environment agency that polices such things say its okay so I'll leave knowing which law allows it tho them


Can you give me a link to where the environment agency says it's ok, where you read it?
I think I heard that they were allowed a certain leeway under certain conditions, but they're doing more than they should be? Something to do with lack of investment in treatment capacity. Which might be something to do with foreign investment concerns not having any incentive to invest...maybe.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 25 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Well the environment agency that polices such things say its okay so I'll leave knowing which law allows it tho them


Can you give me a link to where the environment agency says it's ok, where you read it?
I think I heard that they were allowed a certain leeway under certain conditions, but they're doing more than they should be? Something to do with lack of investment in treatment capacity. Which might be something to do with foreign investment concerns not having any incentive to invest...maybe.


https://www.gov.uk/guidance/discharges-to-surface-water-and-groundwater-environmental-permits
The problem is the permission to release limited amounts is open to abuse.

It’s a bit like the factory I used to work at which was rumoured to release more organic solvents into the effluent stream on the night shift because it would be long gone by the time the sewage farm took its first test sample of the morning. (On the other hand methanol is used to treat waste water so… nothing’s ever simple.)
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 26 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sudden peak flows in heavy rain events are a problem everywhere.
https://www.waternewseurope.com/tourists-in-europe-are-swimming-in-raw-sewage-despite-blue-flags/

Since there is probably going to be a flood down the river too it would often as not be well diluted. While it is far from ideal there has to be a way to allow controlled release in exceptional storms or it might all flow back up your shitter.

Recognising that there must always be a last resort option to release is all that the political fake fuss is about.
If funding to create gigantic emergency storage lakes of poo is required then so be it but there still has to be a limit to what is considered a realistic peak flow and sooner or later it will be exceeded then you are back to deciding what is best option again.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 26 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the drains on roads weren't connected to the sewer system then the sewers wouldn't overflow when there's lots of rain.

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PostPosted: 12:34 - 26 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 26 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I'm old enough to remember the disaster nationalised industry was back in the pre Thatcher days.

Everyone who worked for a nationalised company regarded it as a free joy ride with wage rises as requested thanks to the government having magic money trees, especially Labour who were in the pockets of the unions. Give BL government help to save the company and the workers came out on strike for more even though they were only partially nationalised. Anything the government touched was seen as fair game for non stop striking. We can't go back to that mindset again if we do start nationalising anything.


It's not far different now really, just last time it wasnt manufacturing, it was banks.
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PostPosted: 07:51 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Sudden peak flows in heavy rain events are a problem everywhere.
https://www.waternewseurope.com/tourists-in-europe-are-swimming-in-raw-sewage-despite-blue-flags/

Since there is probably going to be a flood down the river too it would often as not be well diluted. While it is far from ideal there has to be a way to allow controlled release in exceptional storms or it might all flow back up your shitter.

Recognising that there must always be a last resort option to release is all that the political fake fuss is about.
If funding to create gigantic emergency storage lakes of poo is required then so be it but there still has to be a limit to what is considered a realistic peak flow and sooner or later it will be exceeded then you are back to deciding what is best option again.

I like sea and river swimming when possible, it's become more difficult lately due to the increasing amount of sewage being dumped.

I can understand the need to have an overflow system however unsavoury it is. The issue is the same as lots at the moment. The water companies are making huge profits and doing relatively little to put back into the infrastructure. The phrase 'don't shit where you eat' is meant to be a metaphor, the water companies have made it literal if you eat seafood. The volumes with which they are discharging due to 'exceptional circumstances' makes you wonder what the criteria is.

Everyone pays a fee for sewage treatment with their water bill. Seems all they are doing is pumping it back out so what is that going towards?!
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how in what has been a very dry year for most of the country it is suddenly being made out that sewage is being released every other day. Have those evil profit making water companies been closing down existing storage just because a vote was held so they can get away with it.

It is just the latest blown out of proportion political game now that the cake issue has been forgotten. There are more important things should be top of agenda like gas and electric going up four fold and fertiliser not being made any more.

A primary function of government ought to be ensuring the population has access to food, water and power at prices low enough that they have something left over.
All these essentials are not just going up in price but about to become unaffordable for many - it will not end well.

The worrying thing is not so much that they seem to imagine these things just automagically keep being produced out of thin air, but there are active campaigns from all sides to make it difficult if not impossible to produce food and fuel.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
The worrying thing is not so much that they seem to imagine these things just automagically keep being produced out of thin air, but there are active campaigns from all sides to make it difficult if not impossible to produce food and fuel.


Reminds me of this twitter shite:

Adam Kotsko wrote:
In discussions of reducing car dependency, one often hears, "What about people in remote rural areas?" And my gut instinct is -- people shouldn't be living there in the first place. The solution is to give them generous grants to relocate among other humans.

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PostPosted: 11:57 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why use "generous grants" when rural poverty is already doing a good job of depopulating the countryside?
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
doggone wrote:
The worrying thing is not so much that they seem to imagine these things just automagically keep being produced out of thin air, but there are active campaigns from all sides to make it difficult if not impossible to produce food and fuel.


Reminds me of this twitter shite:

Adam Kotsko wrote:
In discussions of reducing car dependency, one often hears, "What about people in remote rural areas?" And my gut instinct is -- people shouldn't be living there in the first place. The solution is to give them generous grants to relocate among other humans.


First of all, who is Kotsko? Another of these no-real-world-experience academics perchance? A "political commentator" (i.e. a next-to-unemployed nobody)?

Secondly, why does he think anyone should care about his "gut instinct" (i.e. no actual thought or study applied)?
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Adam Kotsko is an American theologian, religious scholar, culture critic, and translator, working in the field of political theology. "

And the twitter shite that's being referred to is here: https://twitter.com/adamkotsko/status/1561367698587750400

doggone wrote:
I don't see how in what has been a very dry year for most of the country it is suddenly being made out that sewage is being released every other day.


When there's a period of hot weather because summer or because global warming, if that's followed by heavy rain then because the ground can't absorb the rain water lots of it ends up going down drains.

Have a look at this map to see how many occasions and the total number of hours sewer storm overflows near you have discharged into rivers.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/e834e261b53740eba2fe6736e37bbc7b/page/Map/
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
"Adam Kotsko is an American theologian, religious scholar, culture critic, and translator, working in the field of political theology. "


So I was right. Another nobody with a bunch of ill-informed opinions.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rightly or wrongly* politicians seem to take more notice of Twitter than Facebook. And Twitter is the worst possible form of pressure cooker with which to cook up ideas.

The question is therefore why the Tweeters Twats hold any sway and if I were to guess it's because politicians' underlings (interns in the US) are all kids hooked on techno-dopamine hits and these kids are the ones pouring poison in the ear of the king Thinking

*Hint: it's the latter.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 27 Aug 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The government says those on £45k per year may need help with energy costs too.

Lol. Neutral
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