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jeffyjeff wrote: | HondaCityExpress wrote: | ...there's no way they're not checking the license plate against tax and insurance and type, it would be ludicrous. I imagine it's something they just do in the background which is why nobody seems to really know if they check or not....If they don't do this check, I'd day the chances of the bike slipping under the radar are high.... |
What happened to integrity?; to honesty and truth in word and action? Why does anyone think it is OK to deceive the DVLA in order to obtain license to ride on public roads?
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If bike and rider can complete the tasks legally required in a safe and competant way on a vehicle that's inconceivably different to one that's specified, the deceit is superficial.
If someone did indeed swap the engine, it would say a kilogram to the bike, that's the only difference other than giving the bike more top speed which isn't required on the test and therefore irrelevant. The weight difference would be less than the difference between a full and empty fuel tank. So if someone was to compete the test on a 100cc, would that make them any less safe of a rider? No. Is the entire point of a license to increase safety, yes. So again, to my mind, it's a superficial deceit that affects nobody. |
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pbt wrote: | Its up to 'you' to prove the vehicle you bring for test is suitable, not up to the examiner to prove it. So, when you rock up on your 'custom' ratbobber with crudely hacksawed slashcuts, matt black rattlecan paintjob, and shitty brown pleather seat, he is perfectly entitled to say 'I don't believe this is suitable for test, off you fuck Chuckles' and go make himself a cuppa and laugh about your stupidity to his colleagues. Just beg or borrow a 125 and do shit properly. |
You couldn't be further from the truth about my bike haha
And I'm more than happy to be laughed out of there, if there's systems in place to make that happen that means logic prevails and that's all good with me, but it's certainly worth £15 to find out and not have to buy a third bike.
But again, if the bike can do everything required on the test, what's the harm? How does that make me more of a danger on the road than anyone else? I do enjoy how worked up everyone is getting, it's clearly hitting a nerve I just can't quite figure out what that nerve is. Everyone in here seems to have no respect for people who spend their life examining bikers and handing out licensees, and yet on the other hand are up in arms that anyone might try and deceive them.
That's a totally illogical paradox to my mind. It's like hating the police and then helping them solve a petty crime. |
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Ok, i'll give you another incentive to do it properly. Out our way theres an ATB, a well respected, long standing ATB, who fucked up. He got a new bike for DAS that didn't quite fit the criteria. He did a number of courses with it, then one of the examiners twigged that the bike wasn't suitable. so the DVLA revoked every single licence that had been issued to candidates using that bike. So, do they check, yes, if they feel like it, or, if they don't feel the bike is 'right'. So, please, try your luck, let us know how it goes.
No, I won't name the school, Pinky 'might' know who it was, coz we've got mutual friends in the industry who also know said ATB, but, there again, he might not. |
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This is so fucking hilarious to read - not a patch on JizzBummy's levels of retardation but a damn good try.
Go for your test with your 100cc bike and claim its a 125cc. You will be absolutely fine, no trouble at all
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pinkyfloyd wrote: | HondaCityExpress wrote: |
However, that doesn't satisfy for me the question of what's the difference between taking the test on a 100cc and a 120cc bike? Why would I be deemed incapable even if I did everything required? |
The difference is simple and I will try and use small words as you clearly are not reading well.
The 100cc bike is not suitable (sorry big word) for the test, it does not fit the requirements (another big word, sorry) and a 125cc (not 120) does fit the requirements.
Taking said test on a bike with the assumption (sorry) that the DVSA will not check, knowing your bike is not suitable and obtaining a licence with said bike is fraud.
It is not that you or your bike is incapable. It is simply the bike is not suitable. If you must argue the point further, then why not take it up with the DVSA themselves. Drop them an email or call them if you must.
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Whining like a pansy on BCF because your bike does not fit the requirements and arguing about it when we are not agreeing with you will not change things. We do not make the rules and we do not set the parameters of the test. Much like many of us here cannot take the test on any bike, its not that we are incapable, I can do a mod 1 in under 3 minutes. it's simply I do not fit the parameters because I have already gained my full licence. |
Pinky, I'm not sure what you're reading to come to the conclusion that I'm whining about my bike not being good enough, I'm literally just asking questions to you guys because clearly you're more experienced than me and clearly you all have a big issue with me trying it on my smaller bike, so I'm interested in why you guys feel like that, other than being sticks in the mud who blindly follow the rules even if they make no sense. I've also stated numerous times that I actually do think they will check, so not sure where you're getting the perspective that I think they won't check.
And you can get off your high horse, I can assure you I'm far more educated than yourself so use whatever language you feel comfortable with.
You haven't actually answered the question of why a 100cc isn't suitable if it can fulfill the requirements needed to perform all the actions of the test. Clearly there isn't one, it's just one of those things we have to blindly go along with, never daring to use our own minds to question anything because nobody likes a man who thinks for himself apparently. MUST BLINDLY FOLLOW RULES even if they make no sense. |
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And you can get off your high horse, I can assure you I'm far more educated than yourself so use whatever language you feel comfortable with. |
Education and intelligence are two different things, one of these you are clearly lacking.
HondaCityExpress wrote: | You haven't actually answered the question of why a 100cc isn't suitable if it can fulfill the requirements needed to perform all the actions of the test. Clearly there isn't one, it's just one of those things we have to blindly go along with, never daring to use our own minds to question anything because nobody likes a man who thinks for himself apparently. MUST BLINDLY FOLLOW RULES even if they make no sense. |
I think you will find I have answered that question. Right here
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It is not that you or your bike is incapable. It is simply the bike is not suitable. If you must argue the point further, then why not take it up with the DVSA themselves. Drop them an email or call them if you must.
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I even gave you the number to call and ask the people who do make the rules and set the parameters. As for he whinging bit this whole thread is coming across as a tempter tantrum and just screams
"But why cant I use my bike, its not fair, it can do everything on the test but why.... wahhhhhhhh wahhhhhhh!"
I'll say it again. Your bike does not fit the parameters set by the DVSA and I'll even go as far as adding Brussels as they implemented the 3rd directive in 2013 which set the parameters for the test.
As for the nonsense about using our minds and questioning anything, speaking as someone who works under the regulations DVSA umbrella and have done for over 9 years now. If you try and question or argue with the DVSA or any government controlled body you get nowhere.
We do not set the rules, they do, and arguing about them because you personally do not agree with them because they do not suit your agenda is like pissing against the wind, you get more over you than anything else.
Now stop crying like a bitch and get a bike suitable. I'm now bored of you and will no longer entertain this idiocy.
More educated than me? Pah.... thick as dog shit tho. ____________________ illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
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Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said. |
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Again Pinky you are miss interpreting my responses, not once have I said it's not fair, I'm not questioning the rules set out by the DVSA, I'm not looking to change them, I was just questioning why you and others in here were getting so angry at what I was planning on doing.
The DVSA wasn't calling me a cheat, a fraud etc etc, you guys in here were, so I was asking YOU GUYS "what's the difference?" to validate your opinions because you were all so vocal about it and so opinionated , but yet again you haven't actually answered why YOU PERSONALLY think the 100cc isn't suitable compared to a 125cc to give credence to your other responses. But alas, you're unable to think with your own mind and just parrot the rules back to me, but I know the rules.
A rational response from someone would be "they'll probably check the bike and tell you it's not suitable, but if you want to give it a try, that's up to you". And then they would have moved on with their day, not giving me a second thought. But instead I was instantly met with anger, name calling and attempted belittlement.
Maybe it's just a forum full of angry men hunched over their PCs looking for anything to vent their frustrations at, I've not looked around enough to see if that's just the vibe here, or perhaps I've inadvertently touched a nerve that I can't quite understand. Either way, it's been an interesting one, a simple question with some firey answers, I won't dare to come on here to announce I got my "totally useless A1 license" on my "peice of shit bike" in fear of starting world war three. |
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quote="HondaCityExpress"]Again Pinky you are miss interpreting my responses, not once have I said it's not fair, I'm not questioning the rules set out by the DVSA, I'm not looking to change them, I was just questioning why you and others in here were getting so angry at what I was planning on doing.
The DVSA wasn't calling me a cheat, a fraud etc etc, you guys in here were, so I was asking YOU GUYS "what's the difference?" to validate your opinions because you were all so vocal about it and so opinionated , but yet again you haven't actually answered why YOU PERSONALLY think the 100cc isn't suitable compared to a 125cc to give credence to your other responses. But alas, you're unable to think with your own mind and just parrot the rules back to me, but I know the rules.
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It was mentioned that 100cc might not be enough to get up to speed for the emergency aka controlled stop, and/or the swerve.
I don't know if this is true and neither do you. But it's a compelling and potentially objective factor that has little to do with personal prejudices.
The terse reactions you're encountering ITT are probably due to a low tolerance for smart-arse borderline autistic nitpickery. There may be grey areas. There may be unintended latitude here and there. There may be omissions, mistakes and ultimately unworkable wordings and requirements. But the letter of the legalities are less important than their spirit. And the spirit of it is pretty plain.
Weaselling and waffling are annoying at the best of times. Trying to chisel away at the small print is counterproductive. If you'd charged yourself ten quid an hour for all the time you'd wasted on this crap you'd probably have enough saved to have got an A1 license via a bike school. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 2 years, 245 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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