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garacs
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sparkplug cylinder 3
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spark plug cylinder 4
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

A picture with all the spark plugs together, left to right 1-2-3-4
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short videos of the sparks on each spark plug.

Cylinder 1:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OOXj97Bo4jQ

Cylinder 2:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mjYDHAfyGMM

Cylinder 3:
https://youtube.com/shorts/03Mp2TCKjI8

Cylinder 4:
https://youtube.com/shorts/RyG66Jt7IxY
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expected to see some slight light brownish carbon, 2/3/4 are running with a very weak mixture. If you have no unwanted air going in then i suggest low fuel levels.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/google.php?q=setting+floats+on+a+550+kawasaki+zephyr
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
I expected to see some slight light brownish carbon, 2/3/4 are running with a very weak mixture. If you have no unwanted air going in then i suggest low fuel levels.
https://www.bikechatforums.com/google.php?q=setting+floats+on+a+550+kawasaki+zephyr


The link gets to an empty page, but google is my friend and found the thread anyway.

So according to Haynes manual:
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked the floaters with a caliper for the float height directly, and they are all set to 16mm
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will then try to check with the transparent tube method instead, since that's actally the only way to see if the carbs are full of gas or not.... never did this before, since when unscrewing the drains screw I always noticed gas coming out, so never really bothered to check the level inside the bowls
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree, The 3 look fine (a light tan colour) but no.1 looks like it's overfueled.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I disagree, The 3 look fine (a light tan colour) but no.1 looks like it's overfueled.


What would be then the soluton?
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

On an air cooled engine you cannot afford to run it on a lean mixture.

If i set float heights on sprung loaded needle valves ( single carb) i attached a pipe to the fuel inlet and blow then raise the float until it stops me blowing.
Or your method with the clear pipe.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

A long shot, does the fuel tap have a PRI position?
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
A long shot, does the fuel tap have a PRI position?


Yes the fuel valve was also rebuilt, and works flawlessly
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of ineterst from someone with no clue or real interest motorcycle mechanics.

Does the fuel system not need to be vented from a high point?

And to show my ignorance does the bike have a fuel pump or gravity fed. From the sketches I assume gravity fed.

I'm trying to learn.
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
Just out of ineterst from someone with no clue or real interest motorcycle mechanics.

Does the fuel system not need to be vented from a high point?

And to show my ignorance does the bike have a fuel pump or gravity fed. From the sketches I assume gravity fed.

I'm trying to learn.


We are all here to learn...

The carbs are gravity fed. and the vent is in the tank I guess?
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

garacs wrote:
jaffa90 wrote:
A long shot, does the fuel tap have a PRI position?


Yes the fuel valve was also rebuilt, and works flawlessly


Are you testing with the fuel tap in PRI position????
What happens if you leave it in PRI position for a bit
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:


Are you testing with the fuel tap in PRI position????
What happens if you leave it in PRI position for a bit


I did test it in ON, RES and also in PRI position, no change at all.

If I leave it in PRI, nothing really happens actually... I mean, when the carbs are full of gas, it just stops flowing.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRI works when you have a vacuum controlled tap, where the tap doesn't open unless there is a vacuum on the vacuum pipe to the tap.

It stands for PRIme.

If it's that sort of tap then ON only allows fuel to flow to the carbs when the engine is running (so there is a vacuum caused by the intake.)
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 18 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
PRI works when you have a vacuum controlled tap, where the tap doesn't open unless there is a vacuum on the vacuum pipe to the tap.

It stands for PRIme.

If it's that sort of tap then ON only allows fuel to flow to the carbs when the engine is running (so there is a vacuum caused by the intake.)

Probably I was not clear enough. I know how the fuel tap works. With "nothing" I meant to say that nothing out of the ordinary flow of gas happens. Gas keeps flowing until the carbs are full, even with the engine not running (no vacuum needed, as you said).

I use it to empty the tank easily and fast.
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 19 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

"""" I use it to empty the tank easily and fast. """

A fuel tap does not empty a tank but if you have a clear inline fuel filter fitted you should see if any crap is coming out of the tank.

( you may have fitted one ?)
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 19 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaffa90 wrote:
"""" I use it to empty the tank easily and fast. """

A fuel tap does not empty a tank but if you have a clear inline fuel filter fitted you should see if any crap is coming out of the tank.

( you may have fitted one ?)


Yes I did put a clear fuel filter between the petcock and the carbs. Some debris did show up, but not as much as I was expecting.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 20 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Investigating.... I removed the carbs once again. They are SPOTLESS! Though I did find something strange. I had bought months ago in preparation of the rebuild a new carb kit off ebay.

Well apparently one of the pilot jets was shorter.

So.... they are 28.66mm / 28.70mm / 28.64mm for carbs 4/2/1 respectively in length.... carb 3 is 28.14mm. Even the spring on that one is shorter.

They got probably mixed up. I still have the old ones, which were a bit oxidised and "worn", but at least all the same length, which range from 28.54mm to 28.56mm.

So I reinstalled the old ones, at least with them the difference in lenght is less than 0,02mm. I installed them with new o-rings, of course.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 20 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now was the time with the floaters. Sinc the plungers came in the same kit of the idle screws, I wondered if there was a difference also with them, which luckily there was none.

Yet, the floaters were all, again, at different hights. So I set them up again, and now even if everything seems to be set properly, carb 3 leaks fuel.

Have to check the floaters again, I suppose...
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 20 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I am remounting the carbs, upside down, and rechecking also the jets. Wish me luck...
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 20 Aug 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

So after a lot of fiddling, carb 2 is leaking from the 2 holes on the air intake port. Carb 4 is barely leaking from the same spot as well...

Ideas?
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