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PostPosted: 23:35 - 10 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
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How many people die in a day? According to google etc. about 200,000. Are you going to go and cry over every single one. Are you going to put on your hair shirt, self flagillate and howl to whatever god you love about the injustice of death?

I don't give a fcuk about anyone I don't personally know and if that makes you thinks I'm a cunt. so be it. I really do not care about people who die who I don't know, it's that simple. Grenfell happened, the Titanic happened, I really don't see that me crying crocodile tears makes the slightest difference although you obviously think that virtue signalling makes you a good person. Fine, wallow in your self satisfied smugness. Thumbs Up


You’ve missed the point there old fella.

Your post advocated criminal arson of ethnic minority (and white) social housing tenants, including women and children. It’s this I was referring to. Maybe it was meant to be some sort of witty commentary but following on from the racist, sexist, intolerant, cruel grumpy old man postings you make, it put the “nasty old bastard” cherry on the stale, rancid cake AFAIC.


No, you totally missed the point. It was in answer to Diggs saying in a dystopian future .' I won't say I told you so when the mobs come down from the tower blocks and steal your spuds.'
I said burn them from the bottom up, then guess what, they wont come down and steal your spuds.

The 'Grenfell was a practice' was a tongue in cheek comment but if it upsets you, please have a good cry.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 11 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OK, lets talk about hypocrisy.

50 odd people have died crossing the channel in small boats this year. How many people have said how sad it is, especially when the bbc tell you how there was a kid or a woman in there. How many people said, oh, it's so sad etc, and I include politicians in there?

But we can stop any deaths. Send a ferry to Calais, shout out 'Anyone who wants to come to UK, get on board' and no one will die. However it wont happen because the politicians know they will get crucified if they do that. Millions of people who were wringing their hands over the poor dead migrants would be going mental if they were all brought in to suck off the taxpayers teat.

Suddenly human life isn't as important as my tax payments.

But I feel sad so that's OK. Thumbs Up

Lots of leftists would support that. If you deported everyone who arrived illegally by boat, you would quickly stop any incentive for people to make the 'perilous' journey.

We're giving France 500 million anyway, you wouldn't need to pay them to take them back for very long to smash the whole operation, if Hungary, Germany can ignore laws when it suits them we can too.

However do-gooders would never support this, cos they'd no longer be the white saviours and earn virtue points.
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 12 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

the older i get, the less i like other people.

some rum drinkers seem to be ik though Wink
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting article on immigration from the BBC. Not so much from any new perspective or information but more how politicians basically have lied to the voters and how they hold them in pretty much contempt. (OK, nothing new there I suppose).

This quote about Richi Sunak pretty well sums it up - Former Immigration Minister Jenrick described a discussion he once had with Prime Minister Sunak: “He put forward the argument that mass migration was a good thing because undercutting British workers’ wages was helping to bring down inflation. I was shocked.”

And this one from Suella Braverman show to some/most politicians tax income is the most important factor - She told us of “one conversation I had along the lines of, ‘Well, Suella, if you want to halve net migration to 300,000, you realise that's going to cost us £3 billion. That's the same as a cut to income tax.’”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr40yxnvzpo
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you've suddenly realised its the capitalists who want uncontrolled immigration and not the lefties?
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear mentioned Sunak and Braverman so yeah, Lefties Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:38 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you've suddenly realised its the capitalists who want uncontrolled immigration and not the lefties?


And of course Labour have no interest in all that lovely extra money or the fact that 'everyone' should be welcome. Rolling Eyes

It's not party politics Nobby, it's common politics and the proverbial 'fuck you' to the general public by pretty well all politicians when they think they know better.

Once in a while their wrangling backfires and they get a kicking like Cameron did when the immigration figures hit an all time high during the Brexit debate but in the main the fcukers get away with it.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
It's not party politics Nobby


Sorry, Polarbear, you're thinking like a selfish human being. If there's two major impediments to Full Automated Luxury Communism it's thinking and human beings Wink
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

By “uncontrolled immigration” we mean the illegals. They’re highly unlikely to make a net contribution, unlike those who get through the legal route, and they’re of no interest to the Right. The Left, however, welcome them because of a misplaced, patronising attitude.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worry about the world. Are there not many thousands of legal immigrents entering the country? Many not working and looked after by the tax payer. Many do work hard and are skilled. Just like many of our own folks I may add.

The shit about the miniscule numbers crossing by boat is nothing really.

We're already cultureless as UK citizens due to ridiculous religious beliefs on all sides.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
By “uncontrolled immigration” we mean the illegals. They’re highly unlikely to make a net contribution, unlike those who get through the legal route, and they’re of no interest to the Right. The Left, however, welcome them because of a misplaced, patronising attitude.


Agreed about illegals, but in general here we are talking about mass migration which is the legal half a million or so that come in each year. If you think that is 'controlled' in any sense I would be forced to curl up with laughter before I actually cried. There is little control over numbers and no control over the usefulness of these people to this country.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren’t the legals allowed in because they have the required skills that we aren’t encouraging our own youth to acquire?
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could do a lot to solve the illegals if there were a legal route to asylum into the UK for people who have friends/family in the UK and actually enforced the asylum route correctly and in a timeous manner and did the same with illegals that arrived via small boats.

That would cost money and time with UK courts and providing safe and secure accomodation until that process is completed with the outcome of either deportation or leave to remain.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 18 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

But you are talking about the boat people. That's 'only' 40/50 thousand a year or whatever. Here we are taking about the legal half a million or so and the fact the politicians, despite all the platitudes about reducing migration, don't give a crap about anyone's point of view but their own.

I didn't post that article to start another reaction about immigration per se. To a certain extent that's pointless. We all have deep set views about it and it's just rehashing them. It was just a point that politicians of all views basically regard the electorate as something to ignore as much as they can. To lie to when necessary and deny any wrong doing when they have been caught out.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Aren’t the legals allowed in because they have the required skills that we aren’t encouraging our own youth to acquire?


The requirements for prospective workers are so low they represent a lifetime net loss to the country (i.e. tax contribution vs. NHS, state pension, etc.) and that's before taking into account the import of their dependants which are all a massive loss.

Again, it's short term "line go up!" thinking from our double digit IQ government(s). The WEF-mandated cultural destruction is happy side effect.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Included here s it includes immigrants, this murder hunt for the husband of the girl found in the boot of a car.

According to the article below, it was an arranged marriage. Now I thought arranged marriages were not considered a reason to allow a spouse to come to this country to stop people abusing the system to get into the country. Obviously not in this case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7v3q8l7r43o
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chrimbo pressie for you

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PostPosted: 19:17 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
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Aren’t the legals allowed in because they have the required skills that we aren’t encouraging our own youth to acquire?


The requirements for prospective workers are so low they represent a lifetime net loss to the country (i.e. tax contribution vs. NHS, state pension, etc.) and that's before taking into account the import of their dependants which are all a massive loss.

Seems unlikely. Source?
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, what you havee to understand is that Easy, despite his hatred of 'line go up' thinking cannnot see further than monetary terms.

The fact that a job that there is no native person that is able or willing to do is being done is lost to him.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


The fact that a job that there is no native person that is able or willing to do is being done is lost to him.


you mean like all the carers who were sacked for refusing a covid jab and have been speedily replaced by Nigerians from Africa.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck em. They didn't care about the people they were supposed to be protecting.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the smug satisfaction of knowing you're right 'cos the only thing Nobby can come out with is ad hominin or silence Smile

Reminder: Stalin didn't like farmers. ~2 million directly liquidated, ~5 million people starved to death.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't me that created it....

Or was it more personal and you didn't like the fact I pointed out the flaw in your thinking? You still haven't explained your source and have resorted to your typical 'ad hominin' response instead.
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 19 Nov 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
The requirements for prospective workers are so low they represent a lifetime net loss to the country (i.e. tax contribution vs. NHS, state pension, etc.) and that's before taking into account the import of their dependants which are all a massive loss.

Seems unlikely. Source?

https://obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/Fiscal-risks-and-sustainability-report-September-2024-1.pdf

For details about the cumulative fiscal impact of migrants have a look at pages 3, 4 and pages 106 to 111.

Here's the 411 folks.

Say some gangsta is dissin' your fly girl, you just give them one of these:
  • Large-scale migration has not delivered significant growth in GDP per capita, and has increased the strain on our capital stock, from roads and GP surgeries to housing.

  • Net migration accounts for around 89% of the 1.34 million increase in England’s housing deficit (the amount of homes we have underbuilt by) in the last 10 years. Pressure has been added to rental markets, as well as affecting home ownership. For example, 67% of private rented households in London are headed by someone born overseas, as were 33% of new social housing lets in Brent in 2022/23.

  • Earnings, and therefore tax contributions, also vary enormously, for example Spanish migrants typically earn around 40% more than migrants from Pakistan or Bangladesh, but roughly 35% less than migrants from France or America. Migrants from countries such as Canada, Singapore and Australia pay between four and nine times as much income tax as migrants from Somalia or Pakistan.


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