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Let's be real here, the goal of not killing anyone is very noble but at some point it's kill or be killed. There is an alternative though...

"Killing a human being is wrong."

Fine, totally agree. Now define "human." One could argue that some crimes are so heinous only a rabid animal could have done it. At least a court deciding on someone's humanity would be more reasonable vs. wartime propaganda that paints the other team as less than human.

"Human" is just a convenient label, conceptually it would be defining the criminal as "other" and outside the normal laws and punishments a citizen is afforded. It doesn't have to be just about the death penalty either, certain Channel inflatable enthusiasts clearly shouldn't be afforded the same rights - arguably they have more rights at the moment - as native citizens.
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You were the one talking about a court having the power to decide that an individual wasn't human.

just saying it didn't go well for the last grouping who decided that people were sub or non-human. It actually resulted in the writing of universal human rights.
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The barbarians are at the gates and instead of guns they're waving bits of paper with UN resolutions on. We either have to bin our luxury beliefs or prepare for total societal collapse.
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Personally I think energy companies making obscene profits at the expense of ever increasing prices driving vast numbers of people in this country into destitution on the back of an immoral war is a far bigger issue that prehaps 10k people risking their lives to try and find a safe place to live.
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You can't really ask convicted criminals to work to help pay back society for the crimes wot they done did.
That would be humiliation.

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Putting prisoners to work is not slavery. They have committed crime, this is part of their punishment.

For goodness sake, you can't humiliate them! Nah, just execute them.
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It's a bit like communism. Every time it starts out with this time it'll be different, and then people get involved and before you know it, it's all gone to siht.
Anyway, no matter what you get these slaves doing they're not going to cover the cost of their incarceration. So we as the tax payers are funding their slave existence.
In short, why do you want to own slaves?

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Just to divert the thread even more...

Slavery isn't quite the economic panacea people thought it was back in the day. Forcing people to work for less than they're worth (slavery is not zero income BTW, it'd at least have to be subsistence else all your slaves quickly die of starvation) is building your economy on sand. Sparta and the Roman Empire are great examples of this. Importing slaves into the labour force is analogous to diluting the silver currency with tin. Just saying you don't need to leverage the "slavery is bad, m'kay" moral argument And Communism leans into "Capitalism pays workers less than they're worth" (implying effective slavery) by utilising the flawed labour theory of value.

Anyhoo, back to slave labour in prisons. There at least were (not sure about now) things private manufacturers couldn't make because the prison population stamped out - literally in the case of number plates - state subsidised products.
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