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PostPosted: 02:27 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of our American members might be able to chip in on this but AFAIK all the campaign money raised so far for a Biden/Harris ticket is only usable if one or both of them run.

Rishi Sunak in the rain, the snap French elections, throwing Biden under the bus in the debate with Trump... it's like dominos falling. Trudeau next?


Campaign monies is a tricky one. There are a number of different groups that raise money and depending upon their status depends how money can be used.

Fundraising by the Biden campaign (primary campaign committee) goes to Biden but also to Harris as she is on the 'ticket'. If Biden steps down or has no future need for it (ie, death.) those funds are at the sole control of Harris who can spend them as she wishes - bearing in mind that all funds are to be spent on election purposes not for three weeks picking up talent in Magaluf. End of May, $91ish million

Democratic National Committee (the Democratic party's fundraising arm) will spend it's funds to support the next candidate, regardless of who they may be. End of May, $65 million

Joint Fundraising committees, of which there are three supporting Biden, work with the candidate but not tied to who the monies benefit if Biden drops out of the race. End of March, $61ish million

Super PACs, are legally required to be independent of the candidate, currently the ones supporting Biden can shift their focus easily if he is not in the running, either by supporting another candidate, transferring funds to another Super PAC or refunding donors.
Not sure how many of those there are but the main one had about $91million on hand at end of May.


What a fucking shitshow, Keir Starmer looks like Mother Theresa from where I'm sat.
Currently, my choices are a senile old man who has barely spoken in public over the course of his presidency - probably because his handlers didn't want him to be seen speaking. All we've had to rely on are right wing media snapping him stumbling, falling and stuttering, which could at the time have easily be attributed to one off's not daily occurrences.

Or I have the liar in chief, who, when disregarding his presidency and all previous faults, is not far behind Biden in sounding like a doddery old git.

Or there's Robert Kennedy Jr, mister "I had a worm eating my brain', who comes across as somewhat unhinged, but increasingly less so than the other two.

If nothing else, the three of them are doing a great job of reinforcing stereotypical views of Americans to other nations.

FFS. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tl;dr make America great again?

Trump 2024 & Trump Jr. 2028?
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankyou, mentalboy, it's never as simple as the political commentators make out.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious, Stammer is backing Biden:

Keir Starmer says Joe Biden 'on really good form'

So we're led to believe that in private meetings Old Joe is the top of his game but only falls apart in front of a camera? Thinking
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Curious, Stammer is backing Biden:

Keir Starmer says Joe Biden 'on really good form'

So we're led to believe that in private meetings Old Joe is the top of his game but only falls apart in front of a camera? Thinking


Kier, who is going to release a shedload of prisoners and will probably give all illegsl immigrants a free pass just tho show how he has cut backlogs and will do anything to prop up Mr. senility.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being on good form could mean that Biden remembered not to go sniffing small children that day.

Whilst Sleepy Joe wouldn't remember it if Starmer called him a dementia-ridden senile geriatrics patient, it would be rude and unnecessary to point the glaringly obvious.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1575/live/f40f9e30-3df9-11ef-a65f-8b9d1b956c00.jpg.webp
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

Kier, who is going to release a shedload of prisoners


Exactly who's fault is it that the prisons are full less than a week after he gained power?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jul/12/over-10000-prisoners-freed-70-days-early-sunak-government
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this what it's going to be for the next 5 years? Apologising for every fucked up thing the Labour government does "because the Tories were worse!"

How very unambitious Neutral
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does that me we can stop going on about the 'There is no money' letter now?
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 12 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Does that me we can stop going on about the 'There is no money' letter now?


No, that was at least amusing Smile
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 13 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Biden has said that confusing Zelensky with Putin in his recent press conference was an embarrassing gaff.

However, it would not affect his chances of defeating Nixon in November.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 13 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reports are a bit confused at the moment but it seems as if someone just attempted to assassinate Trump at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-biden-trump-07-13-24/index.html

Typical Secret Service reaction to bundle their VIP away but the fucker wouldn't go without a fight - Trump was pictured bleeding and raising a fist in defiance.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSZtUOWXEAAGZU_?format=jpg&name=small

An iconic image for the upcoming election. How very... convenient Thinking
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see that Farage has been gobbing off about it being caused by extreme left rhetoric.

So, besides the fact that the shooter was a registered Republican from rural derpville, where I can assure you that zero Republicans listen to anything more left wing than FoxNews, he also conveniently omits to remember that his good friend, Donald Trump, when he was president mocked the shooting of Paul Pelosi, the husband of the then leader of Congress.
The reaction from politicians across the board has been the condemnation of political violence, because most of them, unlike Trump, are not so stupid as to imagine that they couldn't be the next target, so it is hardly something they are going to gloat over in public.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Reports are a bit confused at the moment but it seems as if someone just attempted to assassinate Trump at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-biden-trump-07-13-24/index.html

Typical Secret Service reaction to bundle their VIP away but the fucker wouldn't go without a fight - Trump was pictured bleeding and raising a fist in defiance.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSZtUOWXEAAGZU_?format=jpg&name=small

An iconic image for the upcoming election. How very... convenient Thinking


This is utterly inexcuseable... Missed at 120 yards with an AR15 from prone.

And I thought Americans all knew about guns. Rolling Eyes Fucking centre body mass people, follow up with the headshot once you've dropped the fucker.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was impressed by the cartoonish fact that he was shot out of his shoes.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:
I see that Farage has been gobbing off about it being caused by extreme left rhetoric.

So, besides the fact that the shooter was a registered Republican from rural derpville, where I can assure you that zero Republicans listen to anything more left wing than FoxNews, he also conveniently omits to remember that his good friend, Donald Trump, when he was president mocked the shooting of Paul Pelosi, the husband of the then leader of Congress.
The reaction from politicians across the board has been the condemnation of political violence, because most of them, unlike Trump, are not so stupid as to imagine that they couldn't be the next target, so it is hardly something they are going to gloat over in public.



Some fact straightening..

Anyone can register as democrat or republican in the US. It does not mean they are a party member. It just means they are interested in beng kept informed via mass circulation emails ect.

The shooter has been identified as a donor for the democrats. Not the republicans.

I have no horse in this race. I agree on some of trumps policies on the one hand, and disagree with others. Same with the democrats. Agree with some, not others.

Whatever, that moron shot indiscriminately into a crowd of people with a semi automatic carbine. He missed trump thank the lord. Just as I would have thanked the lord if someone shot at Biden and missed.

The fact that he obviously did not care if he killed innocent trump rally attendees makes it obvious he was a very rabid anti Republican. I feel for those injured in the crowd.

We all are guilty of sometimes thinking evil wishes against some of the politicians, myself included.
I myself have in anger, thought that some deserved hanging from a lampost for their traitorous behaviour.
However, would I really want or want to see a human being and politician hanging from a lamp post, simply because he had a different opinion to my own?
No I wouldn't.

Anyone who feels satisfaction over this evil debacle needs to look deep inside and gauge the blackness of their heart.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
follow up with the headshot once you've dropped the fucker.


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PostPosted: 19:24 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinkicker wrote:
mentalboy wrote:
I see that Farage has been gobbing off about it being caused by extreme left rhetoric.

So, besides the fact that the shooter was a registered Republican from rural derpville, where I can assure you that zero Republicans listen to anything more left wing than FoxNews, he also conveniently omits to remember that his good friend, Donald Trump, when he was president mocked the shooting of Paul Pelosi, the husband of the then leader of Congress.
The reaction from politicians across the board has been the condemnation of political violence, because most of them, unlike Trump, are not so stupid as to imagine that they couldn't be the next target, so it is hardly something they are going to gloat over in public.




Some fact straightening..

Anyone can register as democrat or republican in the US. It does not mean they are a party member. It just means they are interested in beng kept informed via mass circulation emails ect.

The shooter has been identified as a donor for the democrats. Not the republicans.

I have no horse in this race. I agree on some of trumps policies on the one hand, and disagree with others. Same with the democrats. Agree with some, not others.

Whatever, that moron shot indiscriminately into a crowd of people with a semi automatic carbine. He missed trump thank the lord. Just as I would have thanked the lord if someone shot at Biden and missed.

The fact that he obviously did not care if he killed innocent trump rally attendees makes it obvious he was a very rabid anti Republican. I feel for those injured in the crowd.

We all are guilty of sometimes thinking evil wishes against some of the politicians, myself included.
I myself have in anger, thought that some deserved hanging from a lampost for their traitorous behaviour.
However, would I really want or want to see a human being and politician hanging from a lamp post, simply because he had a different opinion to my own?
No I wouldn't.

Anyone who feels satisfaction over this evil debacle needs to look deep inside and gauge the blackness of their heart.


As we seem to be playing that game, allow me to straighten out your facts:

Firstly, I did not say what affiliation he had, only that he was registered Republican.

Secondly, while you are correct in saying that anyone of any affiliation can register, you are incorrect in your reasoning as to why they would, receiving emails is far from the main reason anyone would who wouldn't be supporting that party. It is often done so that when primary elections are held to decide which candidate will represent said party, opposing factions will often register in order to cast votes for the non-popular candidates in the hope that the favorite (or officially endorsed candidate) for the race isn't voted in.

Thirdly, as you may note from my final sentences, you are hardly straightening out my facts, merely reinforcing them. Political violence is a slippery slope and it should be noted that whilst many political representatives condemn political violence there is but one person who has been encouraging violence this past decade, threatening that disorder will ensue if he doesn't get his way or encouraging his supporters to physically overtake government and disrupt its proceedings - you're probably an intelligent person and if you have been following US politics closely I don't need to tell you who that person is.

While we condemn the shooter, let us not forget that while good guys with guns can theoretically shoot bad guys with guns, we wouldn't need good guys with guns if bad guys with guns didn't have them, how far do you suppose a scrawny 20 year old would have gotten trying that stunt with a four inch knife?
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaddyStu wrote:


Rule #2 !


Always re-stomp the groin?
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm American politics is crazy. You've got a coffin dodger on one side and an egomaniac on the other.

It's inetersting that Farage and Trump are best pals.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 14 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

tinkicker wrote:
Anyone who feels satisfaction over this evil debacle needs to look deep inside and gauge the blackness of their heart.


Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote:
The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either - but right through every human heart - and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained.

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PostPosted: 10:08 - 15 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

struan80 wrote:
Hmmm American politics is crazy. You've got a coffin dodger on one side and an egomaniac on the other.

It's inetersting that Farage and Trump are best pals.


Biden is 81
Trump is 78
US life expectancy is 76

They're both statistically more likely to be dead than alive.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 15 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of Americans saying it's God that saved him and he's obviously destined by God to do greater things.

So now we get Trumps megalomaina with an added Messiah complex. Great.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 15 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whereas in UK we have Mr. Bland. A very plain sandwich of a person who actually is quite a nonentity. Actually, that could be a good thing but somehow I doubt it.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 16 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
There are a lot of Americans saying it's God that saved him and he's obviously destined by God to do greater things.

So now we get Trumps megalomaina with an added Messiah complex. Great.


TBF most Americans that are in any way religious are like this. AFAIK Trump's going with "God or luck, you choose" which is fair enough I suppose.
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