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A religion bash thread?
Why was I not informed earlier?
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They can't start putting a cap on what we can or can't say, it's not right!
Like it or not the BNP leader has the right to say whatever he wants, no matter how offensive it is and no one should be able to step in and try and stop it.
We're giving up our basic rights to suit the guests in our country and that's disgusting.
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I don't see why we should treat those that preach hatred differently based on the colour of their skin.
Only a fool believes in true freedom  .
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Not once have I heard or read anything from Nick Griffin that could be remotely classed as hatred towards ANY group of people. Any hate he has shown has been towards the politicians from the 3 main parties.
Just because he stands on a anti-immigration platform, does not mean he HATES people. I believe that immigration must now be stopped, but I don't hate anyone unless they're a cunt.
Do you not realise the amount of normal black & asian people who think this? Even they can see that something needs to be done about the immigration into this small land.
FFS I wish people could see the bloody difference between hate, and wanting to deal with the immigration issue instead of what they read or hear on the bias news etc. |
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| Didge wrote: | | G wrote: |
I don't see why we should treat those that preach hatred differently based on the colour of their skin.
Only a fool believes in true freedom .
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Not once have I heard or read anything from Nick Griffin that could be remotely classed as hatred towards ANY group of people. Any hate he has shown has been towards the politicians from the 3 main parties.
Just because he stands on a anti-immigration platform, does not mean he HATES people. I believe that immigration must now be stopped, but I don't hate anyone unless they're a cunt.
Do you not realise the amount of normal black & asian people who think this? Even they can see that something needs to be done about the immigration into this small land.
FFS I wish people could see the bloody difference between hate, and wanting to deal with the immigration issue instead of what they read or hear on the bias news etc. |
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.” - Nick Griffin
"If you have tension in any area, the BNP will go to that area, peddle its lies, put out some leaflets, tell people, "yeah you've got to be scared because X Y and Z will happen," then they step back. Then if there's any tension after that, if there's a large scale disorder, once it is over and done with, then they step forward and say "told you so, we were right." But it is actually them who whipped it up in the first place. " - Andy Sykes- (Former BNP Member) |
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“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.” - Nick Griffin |
A personal point of view concerning NUMBERS killed. Not exactly holocaust denial then. Nick Griffen was prosecuted for the above view back in 1998. Yet another one-up for Blair's thought police, that you must support obviously. How very democratic of you froggeh.
For your information, the six million figure, of Jews slaughtered by the Nazis, is actually a 'guestimate', as no one can ever truely know the real number. So in reality, it could be more, or it could be less.
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"If you have tension in any area, the BNP will go to that area, peddle its lies, put out some leaflets, tell people, "yeah you've got to be scared because X Y and Z will happen," then they step back. Then if there's any tension after that, if there's a large scale disorder, once it is over and done with, then they step forward and say "told you so, we were right." But it is actually them who whipped it up in the first place. " - Andy Sykes- (Former BNP Member) |
Ah yes. Andy Sykes one of the 'undercover' moles that helped make the 'totally unbiased' programme about the BNP.
The programme that led to Nick Griffins trial, and subsequent not guilty verdict.
What I see above, are two cut & pastes that show your desperation at trying to win an arguement, and failing miserably. A tactic of twisting things to suit your own obvious left-wing agenda.
So I stand by what I said in my previous post, as I still see no hatered. |
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| froggeh wrote: | Theres no desperation...I was simply letting the people speak for themselves. Most right minded people in this country thankfully are still aware that the BNP are a neo-nazi bunch of racist thugs. Nothing more, nothing less. |
Again, a load of desperate leftist rubbish. Neo- Nazi? FFS, do you live by the rule, that 'If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it to be true'?
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Essentially I detest extremism, and the BNP represent the extreme right. |
Does it indeed?
You and others like you, keep bring up this 'Nazi' bollocks, so I ask you this.
Are those who would wish the BNP to be banned, not acting in the same way that the Nazis did, when they banned the opposition?
So who's the REAL nazi? |
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Again, a load of desperate leftist rubbish. Neo- Nazi? FFS, do you live by the rule, that 'If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it to be true'?
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They believe in the forceful repatriation of all ethnic minorities... I consider that to be pretty fucking evil. And I know they changed the official policy to be 'voluntary' , but only as they considered the old policy a vote-loser.
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Does it indeed?
You and others like you, keep bring up this 'Nazi' bollocks, so I ask you this.
Are those who would wish the BNP to be banned, not acting in the same way that the Nazis did, when they banned the opposition?
So who's the REAL nazi? |
I don't think they should be banned. I believe in fee speech.
I also believe they have some good ideas/policies. But they go way too far in certain areas, especially when it comes down to the colour of your skin. |
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Exactly Siggi, and as I've mentioned many times to people like froggeh, despite what he may want others to believe, the BNP is not just a one-issue party.
He and others just keep banging on about the BNP stance on immigration, and conveniently forget the fact that all the three major parties have virtually no difference in policies to each other.
Hiding the immigration problems (and there ARE problems), by trying to call anyone, or any political party who wants to see change as 'racist' or 'nazi', is disingenious and rather pathetic. |
I know they are not a 'one-issue' party - they have some interesting ideas. But their extremist nazi-like stance on immigration, and their obvious involvement in helping to cause riots, by purposely stirring up racial hatred, means that they are completely redundant as a political party in my eyes. Anyone who votes for them needs to get their heads tested. |
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| froggeh wrote: | They believe in the forceful repatriation of all ethnic minorities... I consider that to be pretty fucking evil. And I know they changed the official policy to be 'voluntary' , but only as they considered the old policy a vote-loser. |
And so they are not allowed in your eyes to evolve, and change their stance in some areas, as ALL the major political parties have done.
Who would have believed the way Labour has changed over the last 10 years?
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I don't think they should be banned. I believe in fee speech.
I also believe they have some good ideas/policies. But they go way too far in certain areas, especially when it comes down to the colour of your skin. |
So you only allow free speech that mets YOUR standard, so that's alright then.
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One of their policies I believe...
The ending of immigration to the UK from all areas except Western Europe, North America, and Australia. |
And pray, what is so wrong about that? Is it not better than allowing ANYONE from ANYWHERE to settle here? I'm fed up with seeing large areas of MY country turned into broken up areas of 'ethnic' countries. As was mentioned in a previous thread, (Siggi I believe wrote along the lines of) if one wish to savour the 'delights' of differing cultures, then one goes on holiday to do so, one doesn't want it forced on us in out own country.
| froggeh wrote: | Anyone who votes for them needs to get their heads tested. |
More so, those who vote Labour continuously.
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| G wrote: | My point was not specifically about the BNP, but that pretty much everyone does believe a line should be drawn.
I didn't state that the BNP were or weren't preaching hatred, I just said I don't think that we should treat them differently based on the colour of their skin.
| Quote: | I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria |
That sounds like he's challenging a bit more than just numbers.
In fact, that to me sounds like he's trying to seriously down play the severity of the 'evilness' of Nazis.
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Only quoting PART of the above, is in the style of the best of the tabloids to twist the facts. Well done.
The full quote needs to be read, so as to see what he really meant.
So, here it is again in it's entirety.
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.”
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And so they are not allowed in your eyes to evolve, and change their stance in some areas, as ALL the major political parties have done.
Who would have believed the way Labour has changed over the last 10 years?
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It is known that they still want forceful repatriation privately
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So you only allow free speech that mets YOUR standard, so that's alright then.
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Now you're being stupid - I didnt say that. I think they should be allowed any policies they want. I say they go to far, because thats what I believe - not becasuse I want them stopped from saying it.
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And pray, what is so wrong about that? Is it not better than allowing ANYONE from ANYWHERE to settle here? I'm fed up with seeing large areas of MY country turned into broken up areas of 'ethnic' countries. As was mentioned in a previous thread, (Siggi I believe werote along the lines of) if one wish to savour the 'delights' of differing cultures, then one goes on holiday to do so, one doesn't want it forced on us in out own country.
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And I enjoy it.
You dont have to partake of foreign foods/shopping/religion if you don't want to, but for me in our FREE country I have the choice to do so. I dont want narrow minded people like you telling me I can't have that freedom.
Also, my girlfriend is Swedish, we are not married. She lives here with me and our son. Under your rules she wouldnt be able to?
Siggi's wife/gf is Japanese, she also wouldnt be allowed here.
| didge wrote: | | froggeh wrote: | Anyone who votes for them needs to get their heads tested. |
More so, those who vote Labour continuously. |
I vote for the least worst...currently Labour IMO. |
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