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Feasty
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Petrol and engine puzzle, can you solve it!? Reply with quote

Redex in my Yam SR125 tank is not going down well at all.
I've done just about everything else that could be causing my bike to miss/backfire:

Exhaust
Spark plug several times
Fuel filter
air filter
carb cleaned
clutch
chain
bike inspected by Yam dealer

and used Redex as a last resort. However this has made things worse... so... I want to drain my tank and fill it with clean petrol to remove as much redex as possible. But where do I put the Redex petrol - siphon it into my car? I'm obviously not just going to pour it down my drains!! Can I take it to a tip? I have 1 empty petrol can but I'm hoping to use this to fetch some more petrol from the garage to fill my bike up with! So how would you do it?

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PostPosted: 15:23 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

checked the HT leads and coil?
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stick it in a can and use it in diluted quantities in your car or in your bike once (Smile) it's running again.

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PostPosted: 15:28 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
checked the HT leads and coil?


The lead 'looks' good but I'm thinking of replacing it anyway... is the coil part of the CDI unit? Coz that's what I'm thinking of replacing next, there really isn't much else it could be!!

And finpos - doh! good idea, hadn't thought of doing it like that! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Yamaha dealer must be good that you took it too. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
The Yamaha dealer must be good that you took it too. Rolling Eyes


Yeah fantastic! I could make the bike misfire every time by accelerating hard or taking it over 50mph. Strangely enough they couldn't find anything wrong with it! Said they'd tested it every which way and it didn't misfire once, I asked if they'd tried to reach 50mph and they said no but they'd done 30mph on it but the bike was 'too dangerous' to go any faster due to needing new head bearings! (They were on their last legs)... £130 later with new head bearings and a new fuel filter the bike was brilliant for a day and a half then started missing / popping and backfiring all over again... I don't wanna take it back coz the bike is hardly worth spending any more money on! grrr and I know they'll spend another 2 days with it, not find anything wrong and charge me another £100 or something...
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know where this new fuel filter is?

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PostPosted: 16:09 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

finpos wrote:
Do you know where this new fuel filter is?

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Yes, I couldn't work it out from the Haynes manual, didn't seem to make much sense. But it's just added in-line with a pipe coming from the tank, if I'd known that was the filter I could have easily done it myself!
However, it seems daft but I really don't remember if I had a filter there before or not. I only say this because at the moment my trust of any garages is at an all time low! I do have a few pic's of the bike from when I first bought it so I'll be double checking on them tonight...

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PostPosted: 16:12 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be tempted to unline that inline, see if it makes any difference to the bike running. I doubt the bike was designed to need/work with one.

More precisely, the bike will already have a gauze type filter somewhere (either in the tank or in the carb). The in-line filter will be a paper type filter, which will require a bit of pressure to flow enough fuel for the engine at higher revs. It's possible that the head provided by the fuel in your tiddly tank isn't providing quite enough pressure.

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PostPosted: 16:21 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

finpos wrote:
I'd be tempted to unline that inline, see if it makes any difference to the bike running. I doubt the bike was designed to need/work with one.

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Fair enough, but if I was having the same problems before it was fitted, and I'm having the same problems now, and I removed it and was still getting the same issues it wouldn't help me work out the cause would it?

(This is coming from a novice bike mechanic you understand!) Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impossible to say because you don't know what the garage did.

One scenario is that they replaced the old clogged in line filter with a new one. That worked well untill it got slightly clogged itself (and you componded the problem by stuffing it full of gooey redex).

Another Scenario is that they cleaned the bike's internal filters and added the inline filter, not realising that it wouldn't last long once you started using it.

Bottom line is that the inline filters don't really belong there and don't always work as well as they are expected to, so it's worth trying to run the bike without one for a short time to see if it makes a difference. Should be really easy to do if you can find a short length of solid tubing (to put in place of the filter) somewhere.

You are actually trying to eliminate the filter itself. i.e. if you remove it and it's still misfiring, it's not the filter causing the problem Smile

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PostPosted: 16:40 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

finpos wrote:
Impossible to say because you don't know what the garage did.

One scenario is that they replaced the old clogged in line filter with a new one. That worked well untill it got slightly clogged itself (and you componded the problem by stuffing it full of gooey redex).

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Aha, now this scenario makes sense because the bike was brill for a day or so before missing again.
Just to point out, I added the Redex about a week before taking the bike to the dealers and I added too much. This made the bike a lot worse so I rode it very gently, not passing 40mph until the tank was half empty and then refilled with petrol, diluting the remaining redex. The bike still rode badly though... and also whenever I fill up, the bike is much worse still for the first few miles.
That's why I now want to drain the tank and start afresh with only petrol as a starter.

This has always made me think of the possibility the tank has crap in it, which is why the scenario above makes sense since the garage partly cleaned the crap out by replacing/cleaning the filters and the bike was great before going worse again.. am I making sense!!!?? lol
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 29 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I want to drain my tank and fill it with clean petrol to remove as much redex as possible. But where do I put the Redex petrol

you could dig a small hole in your garden(not near plants or anything alive obviously) pore the stuff into the hole and then back fill the hole again, iv dont that many times before Whistle .
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch!! Just phoned my local shop for a price on a CDI unit - £165 new! And £50 2nd hand....

On a bike that I bought for £350 and have spent over £200 on since, I'm starting to think it would be cheaper to trade it in for a newer model. I'm so fed up with it not working now, and having no gaurantees A CDI unit would fix my problems... if the bike was running well, I would probably be able to sell it for around £400, but the amounts I'm paying out now are just getting out of hand!

I saw an almost new Honda CBR125 for £1500 today, with a trade in I'd have a working much newer bike, probably be shelling out about the same amounts every month for finance instead of repairs...

Advice please! I'm getting desperately frustrated with this... Sad
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Re: Petrol and engine puzzle, can you solve it!? Reply with quote

beanfeast wrote:
But where do I put the Redex petrol - siphon it into my car? I'm obviously not just going to pour it down my drains!! Can I take it to a tip?


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PostPosted: 12:03 - 03 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Guys

just been working on my bike this morning and noticed the fuel tap doesn't work! Doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference wether it's on 'main tank', 'off' or 'reserve'. Obviously having it on 'main tank' or 'reserve' wouldn't make a difference anyway but I've had the bike running for a while with the tap in the 'off' position now, revving it etc and it just carries on running. At one point it cut out, restarted, cut out, restarted then it carried on running no prob's - and this is all with the tap on 'off'!

My question is, how did the Yam dealer fit an inline filter unless they propped the bike on its side? And why didn't they notice the tap was like this? (Of course I'll be asking them this myself!).

Also, could this be the cause of my bike popping/missing and backfiring if the fuel isn't getting through - i.e the tap not working properly?

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P.S Other thing I've noticed is a slight leak of very black water from the lip of the end of my exhaust (not the actual outlet hole), that sprays around my back wheel and on the floor - should I be worried about this?
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 03 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valve clearances !
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 04 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

rickyfazer wrote:
Valve clearances !


You reckon these may need resetting? Should they have been reset by the shop when they cleaned out the carb?

Also, I assume a petrol tap when switched to off when the engine is running, should stop the engine running after a very short period of time. that right? - Only mine keeps running, and running, and running... lol
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 04 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

beanfeast wrote:
rickyfazer wrote:
Valve clearances !


You reckon these may need resetting? Should they have been reset by the shop when they cleaned out the carb?

Also, I assume a petrol tap when switched to off when the engine is running, should stop the engine running after a very short period of time. that right? - Only mine keeps running, and running, and running... lol


you can get a fair distance on the fuel in the carbs.. so might not happen within a minute or two...

as for valve clearances when working on the carb, I don't see why they would be expected to.. the carb and valves are in completely different places.

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PostPosted: 17:09 - 08 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi There,
As soon as I saw your post I thought Valves.
Then you say you have used Redex.
The Redex removes excess Carbon deposits from the Combustion Chamber and around the Valves.
The Exhaust Valve is now leaking because there is no longer any crap to stop it from doing so.
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