Roadside Fingerprinting

[Teaman]

I'm not fussed about what they do to make catching criminals easyer aslong as it doesnt affect me, although I do see a "vicimisation of bikers" problem being routene stops to check cans and whatnot, although I dont have anything to hide, (done the crb check thing) it could be seen as a breach of civil rights. You could argu the case that all people coming into the country should have there fingerprints taken automaticly but then by saying that you should also have to agree for yours to be taken if you are caught breaking the law. If they do it for routene stops like the "your back light was flickering mate, could you blow into this and give us your finger prints please" I dont think the people will entirely go for it.

Im all for ID cards though, always have been but there will always be the "police state feeling" we have photo driving licences, thats a start and it doesnt bother me
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There is no point in ranting about someone stupid because there is nothing u can do about it. There is no cure for stupid.
Someone stupid does not realise they r stupid.stupidity is indistinguishable from malice U just have to accept that some people are thick as p1gsh1t and work around them.

[zaknafien]

[CortezTheKill...]

Yeah we can vote 'New Labour' out of power, but to put who in? The Tories are looking at the 'Third Way' and thinking 'How the f*ck did they get away with it?'. Even if we put the Tories in, they'll just continue in exactly the same direction as things are already going in. 'Neo-con' has exactly the same meaning as 'Neo-fascist'. 'The Third Way' is a term invented by Mosely.

Democracy is just an illusion. In any form of society, there will always be those who want more power and to profit from that power. Freedom of speech is an illusion. The right to a fair trial is an illusion. The right to protest peacefully is an illusion (see the Chinese Head of State's visit to London a while ago).

We are increasingly concerned with buying more consumables to divert ourselves from the reality of the state we live in. We are no more free now than people were under the feudal system. The only difference is that in the Middle Ages, people knew they were enslaved. Now, most people believe they are free because they have silver BMWs and plasma TV screens and a wide choice of washing machines.

The very technology that makes people feel they have a better quality of life than previous generations is what is used by the State to control them. And all the time people continue on in this state of blissful ignorance. Religion used to be the opiate of the people; now it is technology. It is not called 'The Triumph of Capitalism' for nothing. There is no way back.

Thought-crime is not so very far away. We are already numbers and worker drones. There is more freedom in a bee-hive.

I worry for my son.
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[froggeh]

[mr jamez]

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[thx1138]

[CortezTheKill...]

[froggeh]

[CortezTheKill...]

[froggeh]

[CortezTheKill...]

So your view is 'Life is ok if we make the best of it' if I interpreted you right.

I feel the same way myself.

But:

Don't protest about Chinese human rights abuse in front of the Chinese Head of State in London otherwise the British police will beat you senseless.

Your (pretty much) every move is watched by a TV camera.

You will soon have powerful listening equipment recording everything that you say built in to every CCTV system in the country.

The State keeps a check on everything you say or text via your mobile phone. This evidence is now admissible in court.

You will soon have to produce identity papers on demand.

The supermarkets keep a record of everything you buy.

If you turn up at a bike meet you are likely to have police videoing you with no grounds for suspicion just for their records.

Police will be entitled to take DNA samples from everyone the stop.

Police are able to stop anyone they like under 'Terrorist Prevention' laws.

Police can incarcerate you for increasingly large amounts of time with no need to charge you with anything.

The so-called 'temporary' anti-terror laws are being abused to allow the government to impinge on your human rights. This has happened before - during WW2 temporary laws were passed which are still in place now.

Journalists reporting on the Gulf War were only allowed to report from the front if they agreed to have every word vetted by the Government.

And on and on.

And all the time people believe they are free because they have the right to consume.

The government can get away with pretty much whatever they like because the general public is so apathetic towards politics. This is an engineered situation.

It's not just this particular government that is to blame. It is the end result of a political system which is to all intents and purposes controlled by capitalism. Make a big donation, get a peerage. Three donors who gave 4 million to the Labour party were knocked back by the peerages commission last week. If they were unsuitable, why did Tony Blair not see that they were unsuitable? Or did he just choose to overlook it?

Just because a person does not see the problem, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

This kind of 'I'm alright and that's what matters' attitude is equivalent to turning a blind eye to the restrictions being imposed upon us by the State.

And you probably don't feel restricted because you don't question the system. You are nowhere near the restrictions being put into place. As soon as you begin to challenge, then you will notice how your civil liberties have been eroded. The belief that 'because there are bad people out there the state needs to put these measures in place to protect me so I'm ok with them' is a naive view and a view that the government want you to have.
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[froggeh]

yup, just what I thought, another bloody cionspiracy theorist!

Oh well. Enjoy your misery.

[CortezTheKill...]

I will mate.

Enjoy your ignorance.
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[Itchy]

[Mister James]

Why provide a reasoned argument against un-reasoned statements? For once I'm in agreement with Froggeh.
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>Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
>Bazza Wow. Eyes like a shithouse rat, you...

[froggeh]

[Itchy]

[Itchy]

Itchy activates the somebody else's problem field , much better than this cloak of invisibility I have which I can't find
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[CortezTheKill...]

Well, you're right about the conspiracy theorists, but a conspiracy theorist believes they are right in spite of a lack of evidence, i.e. it is pure conjecture.

Believing that the British police are prepared to use heavy-handed tactics to maintain order would be a conspiracy theory if it wasn't for the TV pictures of people protesting about the Chinese human rights abuses being beaten senseless by the British police.

I don't know what dictionary you have been reading, but it's clear that you do not understand the meaning of 'conspiracy theory'.

Like I said, if you are happy in your ignorance, then great. It's really not a case of 'winning' an argument (or is it for you I'm wondering?). It's an opinion that you are free to either agree with or disagree with. If you disagree, then that's ok.

But it's a little puerile to suggest that because someone disagrees with the political system then they must be a 'conspiracy theorist'. Those people that believed there would be no nuclear weapons found in Iraq - were they conspiracy theorists too, in your view?

I'm no conspiracy theorist. I'm far too intelligent for that.
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[froggeh]

[zaknafien]

[froggeh]

[Itchy]

[froggeh]

Itchy sort yer bloody quoting out dude!