Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


New gear time...

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:05 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: New gear time... Reply with quote

Hi,

Basically looking for some new gear, my 18 month old textiles are a bit worse for wear and I fancy upgrading my kit.

I'm thinking of leathers this time around but I don't want to spend too much money (Budget under £300 preferrably for jackets and pants) What brands am I looking at for that money?

I'm thinking of pure black leathers, purely because my bike is teal and anything else would look shit.

Couple of questions tho:

Will it be significantly colder than textiles? I wore my textiles without the lining in last year during the snow and was fine.

Anything to look out for that will tell me I'm looking at a quality item? Triple stitching? Armour? etc.

I'm also looking for a pair of jeans, but does anyone know if HG's jeans have a facility to zip into a jacket? (I would imagine the zip would be on the inside, or am I just being stupid? Razz )

Thanks for the help, In summary I'm looking for good quality nice looking kit but nothing TOO expensive like A* or Dainese and preferrably with armour.

I would also be tempted by textiles again if someone knew any that weren't baggy and 'flappy' but quite tight? My Voyager gear has big massive pockets and looks crap.

T!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

P4LERIDER
Nitrous Nuisance



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:34 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you shop around a bit there are plenty of deals on 'last years' colours etc..

I think all of HG leather jeans zip to their own leather jackets but I'd double check before your buy. Don't expect them to zip to any other make jacket though as you may well find the zips are different.

Leather jeans are not too warm if you just wear them over your bare skin depending on how many air vents etc there are in them but if you're gonna be wearing them in the winter there's a host of decent quality linings you can get that are light weight and fit under the leathers easily.

Don't make the mistake of buying a pair of leathers that are 'big enough to fit a big wooly jumper under' as you'll find in the summer that these'll be too big for you & flap about. You don't wanna compromise on safety for the sake of being warm & like i said there are plenty of decent linings that are extremely thin to fit under your leathers but do an excellent job of keeping you warm.

Your best bet would be to visit your local dealers & just try on whatever you can in your price range until you find something that fits you nice - get advice from the people that work there - they should be able to talk you through getting the right fit.

For prices Ride mag might be a good guide? I know that Frank Thomas & HG leathers go pretty cheaply but are decent quality... shop around mate & see what you can get in the sales

Good Luck
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:42 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that.

When I was referring to zips, sorry, I was talking about demin/kevlar motorcycle jeans and not leather jeans, I forgot leather pants were also referred to as jeans
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

nrml76
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:53 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself down to J&S in Northwich. You will probably end up buying something totally different from what you plan to. Unbeatable choice and excellent customer service! Thumbs Up
____________________
Everyone who lives dies, yet not everyone who dies has lived. We take these risks not to escape life, but to prevent life from escaping us.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

mchaggis
World Chat Champion



Joined: 10 May 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:33 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

P4LERIDER wrote:
Don't make the mistake of buying a pair of leathers that are 'big enough to fit a big wooly jumper under' as you'll find in the summer that these'll be too big for you & flap about. You don't wanna compromise on safety for the sake of being warm & like i said there are plenty of decent linings that are extremely thin to fit under your leathers but do an excellent job of keeping you warm.


The jacket I have can squeeze a fleece under it, but it is tight every where other than across the chest normally. It is tight without a fleece on, and very tight with (I have to suck in to do up the zip with a fleece on underneath). So just because it fits you properly doesn't mean you can't squeeze something on underneath it (though fleeces are pretty thin).

I'd say warmth and safety almost amount to the same thing in the winter. If you're freezing cold, can't feel your hands or feet or concentrate properly, chances are you're going to stack it or just not see that car pulling out until too late.
____________________
I must not be a troll...
Mmmm, Guinness
Discovering the delights of Hammerite and a 3/4" brush. Very Happy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

froggeh
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:46 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

nrml76 wrote:
Get yourself down to J&S in Northwich. You will probably end up buying something totally different from what you plan to. Unbeatable choice and excellent customer service! Thumbs Up

I would agree. Passed test in Sept, got me some RST leathers, for about the £300 mark from there. Even managed to get £50 discount (bought helmet, gloves and boots at same time)

(They are fucking cold around now tho - I use some longjohns, and a fleece/and or a waterproof hiking top over the top of the jacket, as well as thermals underneath.)

Its dead comfy tho (from new).
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

froggeh
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:47 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
P4LERIDER wrote:
Don't make the mistake of buying a pair of leathers that are 'big enough to fit a big wooly jumper under' as you'll find in the summer that these'll be too big for you & flap about. You don't wanna compromise on safety for the sake of being warm & like i said there are plenty of decent linings that are extremely thin to fit under your leathers but do an excellent job of keeping you warm.


The jacket I have can squeeze a fleece under it, but it is tight every where other than across the chest normally. It is tight without a fleece on, and very tight with (I have to suck in to do up the zip with a fleece on underneath). So just because it fits you properly doesn't mean you can't squeeze something on underneath it (though fleeces are pretty thin).

I'd say warmth and safety almost amount to the same thing in the winter. If you're freezing cold, can't feel your hands or feet or concentrate properly, chances are you're going to stack it or just not see that car pulling out until too late.


You tried just putting fleece on top? I tried both, and its dead comfy on top, with a decent thermal lining underneath.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

P4LERIDER
Nitrous Nuisance



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:44 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

agree with all of you. my leathers just about let me squeeze a little jumper underneath.. got have something to keep you warm.. all i meant was don't go too mad with the layers under the leathers...

Never tried the fleece over the top.. some people say it stops your leathers sliding down the road if you ever had an off with your fleece over the top but i can't say i've ever tried it.... Wink

If i'm freezing my bollox off and i've got my water proofs with me i sometimes pop them on over my leathers.. they do a decent job of keeping you warm if you've got nothing else handy..
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

KLR600
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Mar 2005
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:16 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just bought an RST leather jacket (I forget the model off the top of my head sorry) but it was £170, has knox armour in the shoulders and elbows, has a removable thermal waistcoat inner and has triple stitching all over it. I got it from Woods in Abergele (North Wales) and the sales girl there gave me a free knox back protector (that fits into a pouch built into the jacket) which was very nice of her! I asked for their help when I got my jacket and they were great, she didn't try and push the more expensive things on to me and she made sure that I had a jacket that fitted well. The matching trousers for my jacket are about £120 I think and they zip to the jacket aswell.

My jacket is pretty warm but not quite as warm as my old textile jacket although an extra t-shirt usually sorts that out.

Also, I read somewhere that it's best to wear lots of thin layers as opposed to a few thick ones as the air gets trapped between the layers and keeps you warm better or something, I forget the science bit but I can vouch for it working!
____________________
Now: '00 Kawasaki ZRX1100R - Past: '84 Yamaha DT125, '89 Kawasaki KLR600, '97 Yamaha XJ600N
<My Bikepics Page> <My Yootoobes> <My Websites> <My Photos>
<Take Cool Photos!>
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

mchaggis
World Chat Champion



Joined: 10 May 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:33 - 16 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

KLR600 wrote:
Also, I read somewhere that it's best to wear lots of thin layers as opposed to a few thick ones as the air gets trapped between the layers and keeps you warm better or something, I forget the science bit but I can vouch for it working!



Thick animal fur is the best thing. Smile
Fleeeces are amazing too.
____________________
I must not be a troll...
Mmmm, Guinness
Discovering the delights of Hammerite and a 3/4" brush. Very Happy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

froggeh
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:13 - 17 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

P4LERIDER wrote:

Never tried the fleece over the top.. some people say it stops your leathers sliding down the road if you ever had an off with your fleece over the top but i can't say i've ever tried it.... Wink


Surely a fleece would just dissolve in an instant? What bad things can possibly happen? (I'm only a newbie, so would really like to know Smile)
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:55 - 17 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

KLR600 wrote:
I just bought an RST leather jacket (I forget the model off the top of my head sorry) but it was £170, has knox armour in the shoulders and elbows, has a removable thermal waistcoat inner and has triple stitching all over it. I got it from Woods in Abergele (North Wales) and the sales girl there gave me a free knox back protector (that fits into a pouch built into the jacket) which was very nice of her! I asked for their help when I got my jacket and they were great, she didn't try and push the more expensive things on to me and she made sure that I had a jacket that fitted well. The matching trousers for my jacket are about £120 I think and they zip to the jacket aswell.

My jacket is pretty warm but not quite as warm as my old textile jacket although an extra t-shirt usually sorts that out.

Also, I read somewhere that it's best to wear lots of thin layers as opposed to a few thick ones as the air gets trapped between the layers and keeps you warm better or something, I forget the science bit but I can vouch for it working!


Fancy that, I know the people in Woods Razz
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

P4LERIDER
Nitrous Nuisance



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:19 - 17 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

froggeh wrote:
P4LERIDER wrote:

Never tried the fleece over the top.. some people say it stops your leathers sliding down the road if you ever had an off with your fleece over the top but i can't say i've ever tried it.... Wink


Surely a fleece would just dissolve in an instant? What bad things can possibly happen? (I'm only a newbie, so would really like to know Smile)



Apparently if you've got your fleece or jumper or whatever over your leathers & you came off your bike, say you low sided for example & went into a slide... rather than your leathers just allowing you to slide along the road the fleece may grip the road causing you to roll/bounce... you get the idea?

Like I said I've never tested this or seen it tested but I can kind of understand the logic behind it
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

froggeh
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:19 - 17 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

P4LERIDER wrote:


Apparently if you've got your fleece or jumper or whatever over your leathers & you came off your bike, say you low sided for example & went into a slide... rather than your leathers just allowing you to slide along the road the fleece may grip the road causing you to roll/bounce... you get the idea?

Like I said I've never tested this or seen it tested but I can kind of understand the logic behind it


interesting.. must check this out...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Mister James
I want to believe!



Joined: 10 Aug 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:31 - 17 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

P4LERIDER wrote:


Apparently if you've got your fleece or jumper or whatever over your leathers & you came off your bike, say you low sided for example & went into a slide... rather than your leathers just allowing you to slide along the road the fleece may grip the road causing you to roll/bounce... you get the idea?



I'm aware of the concept, but I suspect that most fleeces are flimsy enough to simply shred the second they encounter a bit of tarmac traveling at more than 0mph.
____________________
>Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
>Bazza Wow. Eyes like a shithouse rat, you...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:46 - 17 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all so tempting.

I would like a new helmet too as my AGV Airtech hurts my ear on long rides.

I tried on a few helmets, like an AGV St George and the lining feels about 100x better than my Airtech ever did. I like the way it doesn't squash your ears.

I have too many things I want and only £700 though Razz
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

EuropeanNC30R...
Gay Hairdresser



Joined: 20 Jun 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:34 - 18 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've crashed wearing a fleece over leathers at 70ish and slid some way on tarmac. Suprisingly it didn't rip up too badly, holes in elbows and one on the lower chest but only abrasions elsewhere with no holes. Though it was a half-decent craghoppers one.

It didn't grip at all as far as I'm aware.

Crash

Damage
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

froggeh
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:38 - 18 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
I've crashed wearing a fleece over leathers at 70ish and slid some way on tarmac. Suprisingly it didn't rip up too badly, holes in elbows and one on the lower chest but only abrasions elsewhere with no holes. Though it was a half-decent craghoppers one.

It didn't grip at all as far as I'm aware.

Crash

Damage


Cheers for that. Didn't want to stop wearing it...
(doubt the expensiveness makes any odds btw - its all polyester Smile)
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

EuropeanNC30R...
Gay Hairdresser



Joined: 20 Jun 2002
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:41 - 18 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe, but it was a nice thick one, lot thicker than my other ones for example. Good example anyway, if that one didn't grip a lighter one is less likely to.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

froggeh
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Jul 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:43 - 18 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:
Maybe, but it was a nice thick one, lot thicker than my other ones for example. Good example anyway, if that one didn't grip a lighter one is less likely to.


Aye - sounds vaguely plausible, that it woud grip. But to be honest, leather isn't exactly slippery?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:50 - 18 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

froggeh wrote:
But to be honest, leather isn't exactly slippery?


It is when you're sliding on your arse at 70mph heading towards an armco barrier.

Why not think about some of the hybrid stuff HG do Toby? Anyone I know who has it speaks highly of the Tuareg stuff which is a combination of textile and leather.

If/when my current bellstaff leather jeans wear out (10 years down the line, two fairly major crashes and still going strong), that's what I'll be getting.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:23 - 21 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to a bike shop this weekend in Lancaster and saw some Frank Thomas Titanium 2 PC leathers, Am very impressed, so going to have a look around again next weekend.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

veeeffarr
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:07 - 27 Nov 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bought a Frank Thomas Titanium Fusion Sport 2 piece textiles.

Really pleased with them, the collar of the jacket makes lifesavers a bit of a pain but it's warm as hell and quite tight as well unlike my HG one which was loose as fook.

2 year warranty as well, seems like decent quality gear as well, got some gloves too.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 19 years, 260 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.14 Sec - Server Load: 1.44 - MySQL Queries: 17 - Page Size: 131.94 Kb