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PostPosted: 10:27 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: England: - Total Smoking Ban on 1st July 2007. Reply with quote

Story Here

I for one cannot wait for this to be implemented! It will be amazing to be able to come home and the next day be able to slip on the same jeans I had on the night before because they won;t be tarnished will the absolutely horrendous smell of stale smoke. It will also make the course of this quitting lark I am still going through a lot more easier as well.

Roll on the 1st of July... Dance!
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happens if you get caught smoking then? I don't smoke so i suppose it's good new for everyone. Less money to spend & better health.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the tight bastards are going to have to go and buy their own fags. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

speaking from scotland where this has been in place for a while you find that nightclubs/pubs etc now stink of sweaty gits instead of smoke and to be honest i think i prefered the smoke Sick
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with it, but they should have allowed a separate well air-conditioned room for smokers.
I was out in Sweden earlier this year, which was non-smoking, and it is nice to be able to get up and chuck the same jeans and top on, that you only wore for a few hours the night before.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree with it, but they should have allowed a separate well air-conditioned room for smokers.
I was out in Sweden earlier this year, which was non-smoking, and it is nice to be able to get up and chuck the same jeans and top on, that you only wore for a few hours the night before.

A separate air conditioned room for smokers?! WTF are you on? They choose to damage their health, why spend thousands on a decent air conditioning system?

Don't start giving me that "human rights" lark either.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
froggeh wrote:
I agree with it, but they should have allowed a separate well air-conditioned room for smokers.
I was out in Sweden earlier this year, which was non-smoking, and it is nice to be able to get up and chuck the same jeans and top on, that you only wore for a few hours the night before.

A separate air conditioned room for smokers?! WTF are you on? They choose to damage their health, why spend thousands on a decent air conditioning system?

Don't start giving me that "human rights" lark either.


What about all the older people that started because it was proclaimed as being 'good for them' years ago?

I know, why don't we ban bikes as well? They cause needless deaths too.

Bet you'd give a shit about that one eh Jon!
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but they cause no harm to any other person really.

Toby, I know you are only bitter cause you are a smoker yourself, but honestly I can't believe how little I realised I was ruining non smokers evenings just by being completely disrespectful to their right to breathe easily. In hindsight I actually feel very guilty for smoking in public, however at the time I couldn't give a damn cause it didn't seem to smell that much to me.

Smoking is bad for you and I don't understand why the majority have had to put up with the stench for so long and no matter what people say the ban is in and it's about bloody time.

As they say, ex-smokers are the worst. Wink
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
froggeh wrote:
I agree with it, but they should have allowed a separate well air-conditioned room for smokers.
I was out in Sweden earlier this year, which was non-smoking, and it is nice to be able to get up and chuck the same jeans and top on, that you only wore for a few hours the night before.

A separate air conditioned room for smokers?! WTF are you on? They choose to damage their health, why spend thousands on a decent air conditioning system?

Don't start giving me that "human rights" lark either.


Dude. I meant the publican should have that choice. I don't smoke, but for the very occaisional 'herbal' rollie Wink - So I am very glad they're getting rid of it in pubs, and especially restaurants. But why shouldn't a private landlord at least be given the option to create a place for them to go.

What's gonna happen now, is that beer gardens are gonna become horrible smoke-fests.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but outside it is not half as bad, least there is still some good oxygen lying about somewhere. Chances of clothes smelling from being outside with smokers is quite a lot less.

One thing that has always bothered me about smoking and pubs in general is that Non Smoking areas always seem to be the furthest from the bar. Meaning you have to walk through the smoky bit to get a drink anyway. Doesn't make logical sense really. Smile
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
Yeah but outside it is not half as bad, least there is still some good oxygen lying about somewhere. Chances of clothes smelling from being outside with smokers is quite a lot less.

One thing that has always bothered me about smoking and pubs in general is that Non Smoking areas always seem to be the furthest from the bar. Meaning you have to walk through the smoky bit to get a drink anyway. Doesn't make logical sense really. Smile


Exactly - the way I would have it is that the main bar area, and the majority of the pub would be smoke free. If the landlord wanted to, though he could create a purpose built smoke room. They have these at some airports now. You don't have to go near them. I saw one at Stockholm airport... Was a lounge, and in the middle a cut of glass box, with fucking great big ventilation fans sucking air out...
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why cant people be given the choice and have areas for smoking and non smoking. I'm not saying different areas of the same room but totally separate rooms if the facilities are available. Then if you wish to smoke you can go to the smoking room.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can't smokers just not breath out?
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why cant people be given the choice and have areas for smoking and non smoking. I'm not saying different areas of the same room but totally separate rooms if the facilities are available. Then if you wish to smoke you can go to the smoking room.


^^^^What he said^^^^^

The nazi type enforcement of the rule is ridiculous. Crap, I remember when I used to be able to skin up in a pub, no worries, and have a laugh without a worry to the world.

I read somewhere that some labour prick suggested taht drinking standing up shuold be banned because evidence suggested you were more violently inclined when standing with a drink.

No smoking is a good idea but it should be the pubs choice and not the law.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
Yeah but outside it is not half as bad, least there is still some good oxygen lying about somewhere. Chances of clothes smelling from being outside with smokers is quite a lot less.

One thing that has always bothered me about smoking and pubs in general is that Non Smoking areas always seem to be the furthest from the bar. Meaning you have to walk through the smoky bit to get a drink anyway. Doesn't make logical sense really. Smile

I find that when I walk around London, I come back with clothes smelling of car and motorbike fumes!
Frankly, because I choose to go shopping in a busy city I don't want to come back coughing and smelling fumes.

Even to get to a pedastrianised bit, I have to walk through places where there are these motorvehciles!
I saw ban all motorvehicles; especially the 'non-essential' ones like motorbikes.



While I don't smoke at pubs and would prefer to be in a non-smoking pub, the fact is that I choose to go to pubs where there is smoking. It is my choice.

And minimoto and karting - have you seen the fumes that gather in a hanger when they do? Can be a lot, lot worse than any pub and with more toxic fumes. Definitely better that - think of the people that just turn up to watch and not participate, never mind the staff!
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a bit of a non-issue anyway. Smoking on the bus has been banned for years. I haven't noticed that stopping people. Smoking cannabis isn't exactly "legal", yet walk through most city centres and you'll find someone wandering around and having a toke. Sitting on almost any public transport in the west midlands is enough to get you high on secondary smoke alone (more hash smoked than cigarettes).

I really can't see it being rigorously enforced, it's just yet another piece of pointless legislature brought into being by opinion polls and single issue pressure groups.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should not be for the government to dictate whether or not private businesses choose to allow smoking on their property. This is a freedom of choice that's being removed and whilst this time around I'm not affected (don't smoke, never have) I wouldn't be at all surprised if I was the next time round.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just hang around outside while you non-smokers detonate through a surfeit of smugness.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

if they ban it, then I'm going to have to start smoking again. Nothing makes me want to spark up more than a no-smoking sign
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

gixxersixx wrote:
Why cant people be given the choice and have areas for smoking and non smoking. I'm not saying different areas of the same room but totally separate rooms if the facilities are available. Then if you wish to smoke you can go to the smoking room.


The only issue here lies with the staff of the pub/restaurant.

They would have to enter the smoking room (or remain in the smoking room) in order to serve those people.
Ok, if they themselves are smokers, a little unfair if they're not.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

just have a bar in the non smoking section, or have air blowers built into the bar to prevent smoke going behind the bar, I just think its about choice not having something forced on you. Every one knows the dangers of smoking, so if i choose to sit in the smoking area then thats up to me, but wouldnt expect anyone who doesnt smoke to enter or work in a smoking area
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
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Why cant people be given the choice and have areas for smoking and non smoking. I'm not saying different areas of the same room but totally separate rooms if the facilities are available. Then if you wish to smoke you can go to the smoking room.


^^^^What he said^^^^^

The nazi type enforcement of the rule is ridiculous. Crap, I remember when I used to be able to skin up in a pub, no worries, and have a laugh without a worry to the world.

I read somewhere that some labour prick suggested taht drinking standing up shuold be banned because evidence suggested you were more violently inclined when standing with a drink.

No smoking is a good idea but it should be the pubs choice and not the law.


Not sure what multi-million pound establishments you drink in, but most of my local pubs don't have enough rooms to offer a room for each persons preference.
You are right though, I'd like a room to go fart in Rolling Eyes

Good on the ban, now maybe Britain can do something first next time, instead of implementing policies used around the world for years.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

As a non smoker, I would prefer to put up with some fag smoke occasionally than have yet another ban inflicted on a group.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:22 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm all for a ban! I don't smoke and can't physically stand the smoke, in that even a short time makes my eyes water (great condition to be in for my ride home) and throat sore. Unfortunately, in my line of business, we're all supposed to go to the pub with the colleagues & bosses on Thursday nights, and as I can't, I'm a bit of an outsider at work and don't get the same information as my colleagues do.

My only concern about the ban is that everybody will gather right outside pubs and restaurants to smoke, so the pavements get congested and it won't be much fun going, or rather trying to go, through that throng.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 01 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paivi wrote:

My only concern about the ban is that everybody will gather right outside pubs and restaurants to smoke, so the pavements get congested and it won't be much fun going, or rather trying to go, through that throng.


That doesn't happen in Dublin, and the policy as been in place a while there now.

And not that it matters, you'll be inside warm, dry and not breathing other peoples shit.
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