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Josh|RD125LC
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 19 Dec 2006    Post subject: Frame number change.... Reply with quote
When I bought the RD to restore last year, the frame and engine numbers matched, but the frame was in crap condition, especially the subframe. I looked on ebay and came across a mark 2 frame, with half an engine and a few other spares for cheap, so I bought it to use in place of my mark 1 frame. The logbook stated it was yellow, but it was white when I got it. I resprayed it white. About 6-7 months ago I got round to logging the colour and frame number change. Abit later I recieved a letter saying that my bike needed inspection as the frame number didn't match the engine number, which I was aware of.

Now after inspection, I was told that the RD would need to be registered as a 'Q' in order for it to be used on the road again. Now what is a 'Q' plate? And why does my bike need it? The inspector saw the original frame with the matching number to the engine, so its obvious I haven't stole it.... I really dont want to strip the whole bike again just to put the mark 1 frame back on, but if I have to I will. Pain in the arse!
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 19 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
i didnt think Q plates were issued anymore? Probably wrong though....
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 19 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
You need to prove from what year of bike the frame came from, since the v5 'is' technically the frame (I believe)

IIRC you can write to Yamaha quoting the (new) frame number and they will write back confirming what year it was from.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 19 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
The number plate is attached to the frame not the engine. So you can't transfer your number plate to the new frame.
If he says it has to be on a 'q' it's normally because the exact date of manufacture can't be determined. You could probably find this out yourself by writing to Yamaha then get an age related plate from the DVLA.
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Josh|RD125LC
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 19 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh right I see, thats ideal because I didn't actually get a V5 with the frame I bought. I'll look into that cheers. Smile
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flat spot
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 19 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Oh right I see, thats ideal because I didn't actually get a V5 with the frame I bought. I'll look into that cheers.


Danger Will Robinson...that bike could well have been nicked and broken. I wouldn't suggest doing that again.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 19 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

Q plate is a query plate, where the age is inderminate or there is a query over its history. Adds to the insurance and most people would not touch a Q plates bike with a barge pole (often it is regarded stolen but with insufficient evidence).

A 2nd hand frame without a log is basically worthless.

How have you been riding it? With your new frame with the other frames plates on it? If so there are probably a whole host of offences they could have prosecuted you for. Could probably have made riding without insurance stick (as the insurance would be on the frame the plate belongs to).

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PostPosted: 00:01 - 20 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
On no account should you ever even consider drilling the plate off the old frame and re-riveting it on to the new one.

That would be highly illegal, imorral, and too easy a solution to your problem. Whistle
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PostPosted: 00:09 - 20 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Probably stamped on the headstock actually Razz
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 20 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
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Adds to the insurance and most people would not touch a Q plates bike with a barge pole (often it is regarded stolen but with insufficient evidence).



Wotcha.

I've run ( and are running now ) several "Q" plates and have never had any insurance hassle. There again, I run mainly trikes. I've only ever run two "Q" plate bikes - and that was because of lost / missing log books. Funnily enough, I'm trying for an age related plate on a 1955 bike at the moment.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 20 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
jar_lod wrote:
Probably stamped on the headstock actually Razz


Wotcha.

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PostPosted: 00:44 - 20 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
carlnicholsony2k wrote:
On no account should you ever even consider drilling the plate off the old frame and re-riveting it on to the new one.


The rivited plate is pretty much irrelevant.

And if you restamp it, expect to find another copy of this thread again.

All the best

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Josh|RD125LC
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 22 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
Umm yeah Ive been riding it with the different frame but the same plate. I think what im gonna do is just strip the whole thing and use the original frame, even if it is really badly corroded! Crying or Very sad
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I wouldn't touch a Yamaha of that vintage without matching engine and frame numbers personally. Only excuse for them not matching is that it's a stolen heap of crap. And there is no way an RD125LC frame is ever that rotten.


Sorry mate but that's nonsense. The older the bike the more likely the numbers don't match. I'm on my 3rd set of crankcases on my 350LC to date. It only takes the rod to go and that's that.
And as for the rotten frame you're contradicting yourself. As you say it's now of a vintage. Probably 20 years old by now. The frame is more likely to be corroded than not.

Just call yamaha, get the letter stating the date of manufacture and get an age related plate. Wink
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 22 Dec 2006    Post subject: Reply with quote
BLUEX5 wrote:
I wouldn't touch a Yamaha of that vintage without matching engine and frame numbers personally. Only excuse for them not matching is that it's a stolen heap of crap.



As flat spot said, that is nonsense.


The subject of "matching numbers" is a bit of an urban myth, its current erroneous meaning is very different to its original meaning, and its common use and current form date back to the 350lc era.

Go way back to before the japs had a hold on the UK bike market and before the British bike industry imploded, and you'll find that almost all bikes had individual, non matching frame and engine numbers.

Bike theft was, of course, a problem then as well, and the advice given when buying a second hand bike was to always check that the bikes numbers matched, as in the numbers on the bike matched the numbers on the logbook. If they didnt, then beware, for obvious reasons.

When the 250 & 350lc arrived, with their factory matched engine and frame numbers, and became the no1 stolen bike, (and were actually responsible for an increase in overall bike theft figures) the advice to "check the numbers match [the logbook]" became misconstrued as "check the numbers match [each other]"

Generations of people have grown up believing this fallacy. The important thing still is that the frame and engine numbers match those on the log book, if they don't, why didnt the owner notify the DVLA when he changed the engine? Maybe he simply couldn't be bothered, but maybe the engine is nicked.

If on the other hand, a bike that had matching numbers from the factory 20 years ago has different numbers now, but they match the numbers on the logbook, where is the problem? Answer is there isn't one, it's only in the minds of some ignorant people.

Look at most modern bikes, it's becoming more common again for the numbers not to match each other.
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