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PostPosted: 02:23 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: protection Reply with quote

Hey there,

I've finally sorted my DAS, which is now this week. The only thing l I thought I needed was gloves. Though after going to the bike shop I realised how protective textile kit looked and thought I might as well buy some.. cause my waterproof jacket probably wouldn't be much good if I came off!!!

anyway.. I wana ask, is there a point to buying textile kit with little armor or should I buy something like the knox full upper body armor (back/shoulder/elbow etc) and then just wear a fleece and my normal waterproof jacket over it for winter? £150 for full armor doesn't seem alot if I could generally walk away from a crash..

Can anyone give me any suggustions...considering £150 is my absolute budget for a jacket and armor of any kind.

So far looked at Spada Camo, RST Axis, and some Clover gear.

Thanks in advanced
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends what type of crash!

Its not quite as black and white.

You'd be wanting the leather if you were sliding down the road for example.

If a car just hits you there isnt a massive amount armour is gonna help you!

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PostPosted: 03:54 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get decent jacket + trousers for that, £80 should easily cover the jacket.

Personally its winter=textiles, Summer=leather.
Try www.mandp.co.uk

I would look into boots also, even if they're like my cheapy £24 ones.(which have done bloody well mind)
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad this post has come up. My DAS is withing the next week and I didnt know what to wear. I have the boots (which are minimal requirement) some thick gloves which I possibly wont wear as I hate having anything on my hands Rolling Eyes
I have a Helly Hanson waterproof jacket, but if in case I did get swiped it really wouldnt provide any protection at all.
I have a pair of Dianses (spelling sorry) textile but they are just way way way too big (once on the bike they look ok)
So, thanks for this post. Will look around that link Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wear your gloves! Even in a small off if you have no gloves on your hands will be down to the bone. If you don't like chunky gloves and can put up with the cold, get some decent leather summer gloves.

Remember falling over as a kid when you were running and skinning your palms when you fell over? Multiply that by a thousand when you come off a bike.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I understand if I do have an off most likely my hands will get the brunt force. But, I dunno I just cant have anything on my hands. I feel it restricts my movement, that I might not be able to reach the controls of the bike. May sound daft but, its how I feel Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
Yes I understand if I do have an off most likely my hands will get the brunt force. But, I dunno I just cant have anything on my hands. I feel it restricts my movement, that I might not be able to reach the controls of the bike. May sound daft but, its how I feel Thumbs Down


Have you considered fingerless gloves? They give the base of your hand some extent of protection (thats probably what will hit the floor) but your fingers are still free to move about the handlebars, its a good compromise I think.

I have a set that I bought to use in the summer when its just realllllly hot, and they would be ok I think but dont restrict you
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

gloves where the small finger and ring fingers are sewn together are good individually fingers are weakest and break easily.

Just get something with full Knox 50-50 hard soft armour , don't like the hard stuff ,

and use your brain! , bikes have a horrible tendancy to be used by natural selection.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:12 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok fair enough I will get some light thin gloves.
But what should matter if Im wearing the right gear or not?
Thought it was the right way of riding?
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You MUST, MUST, MUST wear full gloves, can't stress that strongly enough! Not only for warmth, which is crucial in the winter, but for protection. Any off will damage your hands otherwise, it's an instinctive reaction to try to break the force of your fall with your hands and they will go down.
This summer gloves won't restrict your movement much and you'll quickly get used to them. they won't keep you very warm or dry but will be a lot betterthan nothing, and will give good protection in a crash.
As for jacket / armour, don't bother with seperate armour, you'll quickly tire of putting it on and stop bothering. Buy a reasonable textile jacket with armour built in, it'll give more protection generally and be warmer, dryer and much more convenient.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the examiner is looking for an excuse then not wearing protective gear will help him make his mind up.

Louise - Have a look around for some Alpinestars Tech Road Goretex gloves, they're sort of autumy rather than wintery. They have basically put a windproof waterproof liner in a pair of summer gloves, not quite as good as a full summer glove for feel but loads better than a full winter.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
But, I dunno I just cant have anything on my hands. I feel it restricts my movement, that I might not be able to reach the controls of the bike. May sound daft but, its how I feel Thumbs Down


It's funny how quickly you will change your mind after a few hours on the bike on a frosty morning. Without gloves you won't be able to operate the controls at all because your hands will be frozen solid. Aside from a helmet they're probably the most important piece of kit you'll buy.

You get used to gloves very quickly. The other day I rode my bike up the drive and round the back of my flat without gloves on - it felt completely wrong.
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I just say that wearing jeans is a daft idea. If you come off they will shred easily and your skin will be ripped off. What hits the floor when you come off a bike? Your knee will probably hit first if you fall off sideways. Tarmac is a very abrasive substance. It just shredded my leathers yesterday, but my leathers are replaceable.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
If the examiner is looking for an excuse then not wearing protective gear will help him make his mind up.



Amen to that. I'm still convinced that I failed my second test because it had been raining the day before when I was out practising and my boots were still soaked through so I turned up for the test in my trainers. He said I made a "dangerous" observation error when I pulled around a parked lorry without doing a lifesaver but I KNOW I did cos I was still talking myself through them........... Embarassed

Amen to the gloves thing too. I can only wear thin gloves cos I have small hands and I find anything padded means I lose the "feel" of my controls - I get round this in the winter with a combination of heated grips and woolly muffs. Louise let me share a personal experience with you. Just over 10 years ago now my OH picked me up from work on the bike one hot, sunny June day to take me to lunch. He brought my helmet and jacket with him but couldn't find my gloves so brought a pair of his own. I protested, but put them on. Less that 15 minutes later we were in a collision with a car that turned in front of us, and I was flung off the bike and over the boot (it was an old-style escort). Fortunately for me I blacked out on the impact so when I hit the ground I was very limp, and rolled rather than slid. Unfortunately, the first time I hit and rolled his gloves stuck to the hot tarmac and, being miles too big, as I rolled over my hands slid out of them. Next time I rolled it was my hands on the hot tarmac. Sad I still have the scars on the backs of my knuckles all this time later, and I only have to look down at my hands to remind me to always wear not just gloves but MY well-fitting gloves when I am on the bike.........

I notice a few of you are saying "textiles winter leathers summer" when advising about jackets. My opinion is slightly different to that, being textiles wet weather leather dry weather. Both my textile jacket and my leather have removable linings so they are both about equal in terms of warmth to be honest, but the rain runs off my textiles much better........... Smile
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:

I notice a few of you are saying "textiles winter leathers summer" when advising about jackets. My opinion is slightly different to that, being textiles wet weather leather dry weather. Both my textile jacket and my leather have removable linings so they are both about equal in terms of warmth to be honest, but the rain runs off my textiles much better........... Smile


True up to a point, the reason I stick to textile in winter, even in the dry, is because textils stops the wind getting through, leather allows some air through (they're often designed to, it's desirable in summer!) and it's that windchill that makes you feel cold really quickly. Wear a thin windproof jacket over your leather one and it's incredible just how much warmer you feel!
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wear any gear that you have. It all counts as protection. Your hands will be the first thing you put on the ground as you try to protect yourself in a fall. They will wear away pretty quickly.

When just starting out I know a lot of people say that they can't afford to purchase all the gear. The safety camp will always reply with 'Can you afford not to?'. I can see their point but it all mounts up and it may be a while before you can afford decent gear.

I wear any gear I have whenever I go out. I have been slowly building up all my protective stuff in the 3 months since I bought a bike and now I have it, I use it.

It is a kind of natural selection when your riding without armour. If your hurt you only have yourself to blame. I believe it is up to the individual to wear whatever they want but i also think It's best to minimise the risk of death and pain as much as possible.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
Ok fair enough I will get some light thin gloves.
But what should matter if Im wearing the right gear or not?
Thought it was the right way of riding?


The examiner may be less likely to give you the benefit of the doubt on a borderline incident if you're wearing trackie's and trainers. If it looks like you're taking your biking seriously then he may be more inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt...
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the examiner is looking for an excuse then not wearing protective gear will help him make his mind up.


And also, if you DO wear full leathers etc, don't leave worn out "I've been getting my knee down on EVERY corner" sliders on `em, as that won't do you any favours either (or so my instructor informed me, so I popped me waterproofs on over the top fer me test Very Happy )
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i am going anywhere other than to the shops it will be,

Leather Jacket, Gloves, Draggin Jeans, Boots. If i know i will be on the bike for a while or be riding hard, i wear my Dainese Body armor (Top) under my jacket.

In the summer, i wear Draggin Jeans and just the body armor alone (its a compromise, and if i go tarmac surfing it wouldent do much, but its better than nothing, and lets you stay lovely and cool. Of course gloves and boots also...
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
Ok fair enough I will get some light thin gloves.
But what should matter if Im wearing the right gear or not?
Thought it was the right way of riding?


you could ride in jeans and a tshirt otherwise, but gloves are the important one, consider how much you use them in day to day life, now image there is next to no flesh left on them and it hurts when you use them. I'd rather wear the gloves.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 15 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even in a small off if you have no gloves on your hands will be down to the bone


I had an small(15-ish MPH) off in October last year, and if it wasn't for the ''thinsulate'' - type gloves i was wearing, i would have lost a fair bit of skin off my hands an fingers as the glove material went like nowt.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 16 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a set of multi-purpose armoured textiles (Frank Thomas) which have removable thermal linings for when it gets hot. If it gets REALLY hot then the inner lining will act as a jacket and will take all the hard armour from the outer layer. Gloves you just get used to. I learned in the height of summer 2005 and still have the scars... I got scalded in a cooking accident and the blistering hadn't healed up by the time it came to do my test so I had my multi-season gloves and armour jacket on plus a layer of Bandages. Because it was so hot the blistering on my arms couldn't heal properly and I've dark patches of skin around my hand and wrist...

The minimum I wear is my textile armour jacket, gloves, thick jeans and boots and that's when commuting around town. If I'm doing any distance then it's armoured textile trousers as well (zipped to jacket).

I've skinned my hands severely (along with legs and chest) just coming off a mountain bike at 30+mph, so on the bike, having that layer between my skin and the road, it's a no-brainer...

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PostPosted: 09:05 - 17 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading some posts there have made my mind up considerable.
Will pop over to Hein Gericke for a snoop.
My buget is around 150, but all I need are textile pants / Gloves and possibly a coat. Thumbs Up
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