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PostPosted: 15:13 - 21 Jan 2007    Post subject: Kawasaki 636 05 anyone? Reply with quote

After a chat with the insurance people it seems that despite my ridiculous insurance position I can insure an 05 636 for what I would accept as bordering on sensible. It was £210 more than my SV but for the sake of 200 quid I know which I'd rather have!!

So Ive got my heart set on it now and Im actively saving. This is where you lot come in, who has one? What are the bad bits? What to look out for? Whats really going to piss me off about it six months down the line etc?

As for me im about 5 feet 9 give or take and 12 stone. Im imagining these bikes to be tiny but cant find any locally so wont know for sure until I get out there.

Any encouragement/discouragement gratefully received!!

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PostPosted: 15:20 - 21 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i really love these bikes but never been on one so cant comment on what there like just wondering how much would you be looking to pay for one? id love to get one soon as ive past my test
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 21 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i sat on one when i was tempted between that and an 05 RR.
Wasn't a fan of the build quality of the 636... felt too plasticcy and cheap... and its very hard to read the dash as the screen gets in the way...
I went for the RR as it felt more solid and you get Hondas build quality too..... I would recommend an RR over the 636 personally. Cheaper to insure too as its lower cc.
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 21 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would recommend an RR over the 636 personally. Cheaper to insure too as its lower cc.



I thought the RR's were very expensive to insure??
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 21 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had an RR and have a 05 636 at the moment.

I'd say the build quality on the 636 is easily as good as the Honda, if not better.

The 636 motor absolutely munches the RR's, those extra 37cc really do make a difference, and it delivers the power in more aggressive way as well with a very punchy top end.

Handling-wise they are very closely matched, both very good but I think the Kwak is slightly more sure footed and favours a more aggressive riding style. Brakes are excellent on both bikes.

I never had a problem with the RR and have never had one with the Kwak. Take a test ride on each and go with whatever you prefer.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 21 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOM M wrote:
Bandito wrote:
I would recommend an RR over the 636 personally. Cheaper to insure too as its lower cc.



I thought the RR's were very expensive to insure??


i got quotes for both... fully comp on the Ninja was £1020, the RR was £859.

the Ninjas higher CC bumped it up... I was buying brand new too.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an 06 which is identical besides the screen I believe.

Aggressive bike, with big power for a 600 class machine. Brakes are excellent, handling is great, always rides at the front of the pack, I believe its one of the lightest in the class also.

Oh and its put together quite nicely too Thumbs Up

Can get some very nice upgrades, and it has excellent showa suspension.

Only thing that irritates me is that the digital tacho, has developed an intermittent fault with the area up to 500rpm not illuminating.
Might get this done on warranty if it gets any worse, but I'd rather not have the bike off the road being worked on for a week for the sake of a little black bar not lighting up Neutral

As for physical size, its quite small, but the seat height is high, and the riding position stretched out. Might give you sore wrists for a while, but the seat is fairly plush for a sports bike Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, what has made you change your mind about your SV?
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love the look of em and seriously considering one next.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh and its put together quite nicely too


This bit was worrying me. I once vowed never to buy a kawasaki (or a suzuki for that matter Laughing ) as I just didnt like the finish on my mates 99 reg 6R. It seems they have come on a bit since then!!

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The 636 motor....

Handling-wise .


These are the bits Im quite ineterested in!!

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i really love these bikes but never been on one so cant comment on what there like just wondering how much would you be looking to pay for one? id love to get one soon as ive past my test


Seen one going for 4100 with 4k miles on it. Somewhere between that and 4500 would prob be the ball park figure for me. On the subject of insurance like i said earlier Im 25 been riding for three odd years and have a pending claim (the one where the fat cow reversed over me and wont admit it). The insurance for my k6 SV with mods declared etc was £400 FC, the quote for the 05 636 was was £610 FC.

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Out of interest, what has made you change your mind about your SV?


The thing is, I bought the SV because it was handy and suited me at the time. I think its a gorgeous looking bike and the punchy motor can be quite fun. It sounds awesome with the race can on and theres not many round here. Theres just some things niggling me that I cant get past. Im not saying the SV is a bad bike but Im a bit picky. The first thing thats annoying me is the build quality (I knew that it was budget when I bought it). Another thing is the suspension, I just cant ride it fast on the roads where I live (pretty rural) because the rear suspension is - for the want of a better word - crap, I used to hammer round them on my CBR without problems but the SV just wont let me and I spend more time in the air than on the seat. The final reason for it (and dont anyone take this personally) is thatit just doesnt feel special anymore. I find myself talking to other bikers and when they ask me what I ride I say something like 'Oh Ive just got an SV at the moment' and from that point they are thinking all the stereotypes (starter bikes and all that rubbish). I just want something that little bit more special.

Truth be known I love the bike but I just want to change it. Confused
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you do get a 636 get the suspension set up for you professionally. Or if you really know what you're doing then do it yourself. I had mine done and it made a world of difference. Much sharper and more planted. The main difference was the disappearance of the tank-slappers, not full on, but not pleasant. It used to really love shaking the bars very hard but hasn't done it since.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
If you do get a 636 get the suspension set up for you professionally. Or if you really know what you're doing then do it yourself. I had mine done and it made a world of difference. Much sharper and more planted. The main difference was the disappearance of the tank-slappers, not full on, but not pleasant. It used to really love shaking the bars very hard but hasn't done it since.


Joe, out of interest, how did they resolve this problem for you with regards to suspension settings? In other words, which way did they go (stiffer or softer)?
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They generally went stiffer as I had it set up for fast road/track use. I had mine done at www.stevejordanmotorcycles.com , might be worth finding somewhere similar near to you. He did give me a sheet with all the adjustments on but I haven't got a clue where it is.

This

https://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_street_bike_suspension_settings/#kawasaki

might give you somewhere to start from if you were to have a go yourself.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah I'd agree all with what Joe has said above. Also (as said above) the standard screen is cack and you can't properly see the speedo so an aftermarket jobbie would be good for remedying that. Also I've been informed that its not the best bike for pillions but I've never taken one so can't really comment on that.

Bought mine new in 2005 and it was the test ride that really clinched it for me. Having just passed my test I was looking for something a bit more sedate but was passing the Kawasaki place so thought I'd give it a go.

Handling is I'd say superb on them. Mine came fitted with Bridgestone BT045's (I think) and I haven't had any problems with them. Brakes are also quality. Using the bike for uni most weekdays its also fairly easy to use in town at low speed and for filtering through traffic. Slipper clutch also is good for changing down at speed on them.


As for build quality and reliability so far I have'nt found any probs with these.

What about also looking at a gsxr? Magazines normally rate them quite high.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm definitely with Stu on the slipper clutch bit - it's great. If you are going to get it on track then it really comes into it's own - just bang it down through the gears.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
I find myself talking to other bikers and when they ask me what I ride I say something like 'Oh Ive just got an SV at the moment' and from that point they are thinking all the stereotypes (starter bikes and all that rubbish).

Generally I'd say the stereotype of new sports bike owners is the 'all the gear no idea' type person.
You may well find that the ZX loses it's 'special' appeal as well

Had you considered sorting the suspension on the SV?
I believe a GSXR rear shock should fit onto the back of the newer models as well. Sorted fork internals and a service, including setting up the rear - maybe £300 all in?
At least something to consider until you get a shiny bike - I've embarrassed a few much more powerful bikes at trackdays on an underpowered Curvey SV (well, when they ask what CC is it anyway Smile ).

Saying all that, given the choice, I would take the ZX anyday.
Personally wouldn't spend that much on a new 600cc sports bike as I don't think it would offer me that much more over an old one (except that I am, but that's another matter).
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on G, where was the 'I told you so' bit of the thread?? Laughing

I did consider the GSXR conversion but just thought 'bollox to it' why should I hack a nearly new bike? Over on SV650.org people are transplanting all sorts of gixxer stuff but I really just cant be bothered with it.

The speed of the SV isnt an issue to me really, Im not after the 636 for its speed (although it is nice) as I could easily spend less on a quicker bike if that was the case.

As for the gixxer option - no offense to anyone - I just plain dont like them. They dont do it for me tbh. Think it comes from going to bike shows and seeing rows and rows and rows of blue and white GSXR's in the carpark. Plus they have a bit of a stigma too.

The slipper clutch is an interesting addition for me, I have been known to lock the rear up on the SV and its not a v nice experience. Not normally through changing down too quick but through missing gears on the way down and panicing!
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:

I did consider the GSXR conversion but just thought 'bollox to it' why should I hack a nearly new bike? Over on SV650.org people are transplanting all sorts of gixxer stuff but I really just cant be bothered with it

As far as I know the GSXR shock is a straight swap.
Not too much hassle to swap that back, or even fork bits - though not like most people would notice those if you didn't want to tell it's been played with.

Sorry, think I used up all my "told you so's" last month Smile I do have a general bad habit of playing "devil's advocate", so...
I'm worried that you'll just have the Ninja for a bit, get used to it and notice lots of other people have them - so decide you want another new toy.

Can you afford a ZX like this anytime soon?
If not, I'd definitely look at suspension fettling to keep enjoy the bike while you've got it.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I have to remove the toolbox on the LHS to fit the shock and maybe fettle the battery box. Just dont fancy it G.

So far Ive only seen another 1 636 knocking about, but starngely no other SV's!
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably say after a year and a half (ish) of having the ZX6R it still keeps me pretty 'entertained'. Still brings a smile to my face when I razz it along a stretch of dual carriageway going into uni.

Only thing I do wonder though if I should have considered something like a Honda VFR800 as I think hard luggage can be fitted to them. Suppose as well you have to ask what mainly you'll be using the bike for. Myself although the ZX6R is a fantastic sportsbike I wonder if I should have gone for something more of a sports-tourer.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike used to be my tool, but now its more of a toy! I dont need anything practical, im a 25 year old single bloke. Pillion is not an issue, I even drive a 2 seater sportscar. Im not about practicality!!

I cant wait to get my hands on one of these 636's!!

Whats the BHP, top speed and Model Number I should be looking at?
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
My bike used to be my tool, but now its more of a toy! I dont need anything practical, im a 25 year old single bloke. Pillion is not an issue, I even drive a 2 seater sportscar. Im not about practicality!!

I cant wait to get my hands on one of these 636's!!

Whats the BHP, top speed and Model Number I should be looking at?


170 mph'ish

model's are c1h and c6f

expect around 112bhp at the wheel standard...
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought all the 600s were still teetering around 160mph (real speeds).
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 22 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Thought all the 600s were still teetering around 160mph (real speeds).


Possibly, I'm going off estimation here Mr. Green I've only managed 165 indicated so far due to not having enough road to reach top end on the one and only top speed run I've managed Embarassed it was still going up steadily but had to kill the speed due to rapidly approaching bendy bits. I've been informed top end is around 170 mph (eventually)
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