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Whosthedaddy
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Whats the strangest track bike you've seen? Reply with quote

The pictures and videos of moped mayham has done nothing but make me want to do a track day even more this year Razz

I was in the process of having a half hearted go at changing the FZR for the track before it annoyed me for the last time, but I still would nt mind having a bike purely for a bit of fun that will need next to no 'road' going maintenance.

Dont mind the challenge of a non runner or spares / repair type bike as feel confident in making it run again Thumbs Up Shifty

Well just type this into the search function of eBay and theres a wide selection to choose from.

Would any bike make a track day hoon about?
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is only one answer to this.

https://www.gaz-racing.co.uk/images/MZ/Full/DSCI0016(Small).jpg

https://www.gaz-racing.co.uk/images/Snetterton/Full/gazkneedownatsnett(Small).jpg

In all honesty, you want more than 40bhp for most tracks. The straights were so boring on the MZ at Snetterton and if you're not fast enough to chase someone, it's not fun. (I did manage to overtake some of the slower riders though).

If I were to buy a budget track bike right now, I'd look for an RGV250, or an older 400/600, maybe FZR.

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PostPosted: 12:48 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a cheap MZ but as you have said before, its kind a slow on the straights Confused Shame as they look rugged enough to be thrown down a few times and still get up and go again.

What about a bike more along the lines of a tourer, fancy chucking one of those about?
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Gazdaman
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you mad?

Trackbikes are sporty-ish for a reason y' know.
You want something with a bit of ground clearance, something with the possibility of sticky-ish tyres.

You might think trackdays would be a bit of fun, you'll soon be looking at track R1s on eBay.

I saw someone go round Lydden on a ZZR600 once, in inters, the suspension bounced so much I was convinced he was going to come off each corner.

Why do you want something different? (Serious question)
If you don't see many of a certain bike on track, it's probably because they're not very good on track.

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PostPosted: 13:21 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

BUY THIS!
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, yeah an FZR400 would make an ok cheap trackbike. I'd be worried about parts and buying extras for it.

All depends on your budget, which tracks you want to do, how often, and what your riding style is like.

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PostPosted: 13:27 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen a Harley V rod beat Luke around Snetterton, and I've seen an XJ900 Diversion trackbike for sale on fleabay.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:

If I were to buy a budget track bike right now, I'd look for an RGV250, or an older 400/600, maybe FZR.

Gaz


RGV isn't budget. They go pop very easily indeed Confused However it is my ideal trackbike as it is very small and very very light.

Any 400 sports would be ideal really.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

spamming unintentional! now corrected.....

who needs extras when it can be stripped. For that little ammount of money its gotta be worth the chance?
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:
Are you mad?


You have seen the bike I ride on the road have nt you Wink Laughing

Gazdaman wrote:
Why do you want something different? (Serious question)


Fair point.

Many of the sports bikes that are tatty, no MOT or need attention usually go for a few pennies more than I would like and attract the attention of the breakers so get snapped up.

Seen a few different styles of bikes, they could be nice 'cafe racer' styles like the MZ or older style commuter types that have plenty of grunt.

I do think that a tourer would be a sight, but not quite fitting for the Indie Circuit @ Brands Laughing

Gazdaman wrote:
All depends on your budget, which tracks you want to do, how often, and what your riding style is like


Being an Essex lad Dance! it would be Brands or Lydden for a nice morning or afternoon.

Experience = 0
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Budget = looking down the back of sofa as we speak Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hows about a Scott Squirrel? A 600cc 2-stroke twin made in 1930's. I suspect this one has been 'tuned' somewhat judging by the 60mph power wheelie. Mr. Green .

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PostPosted: 13:49 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at him go!
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Hows about a Scott Squirrel? A 600cc 2-stroke twin made in 1930's. I suspect this one has been 'tuned' somewhat judging by the 60mph power wheelie. Mr. Green .

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I think it would probably be a travesty to take a Scott Squirrel on a trackday! Wink
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:

I think it would probably be a travesty to take a Scott Squirrel on a trackday! Wink


They're meant to be rid', not hid'.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. No. Scott Squirrels are rare and precious and should be kept under an old tarpaulin in a museum.

Trackdays are for mass produced machinery that you can get spares for!! Smile
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

An MZ is plenty for Lydden and Brands as long as you're not afraid to keep up the corner speed.

Lots of tuning/track prepping bits available from burwins.

You could pick up one with tax and mot for £300 I reckon. Although there's an MZ breaker who buys them all off eBay. kg1mz or something similar.

Do you want this bike to be road worthy as well or not?

My pre-diversion XJ600 handled well, was quite heavy but scraped pegs/knees no problem. ~70bhp and I picked a mint one up for £475.

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PostPosted: 16:44 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Hmm. No. Scott Squirrels are rare and precious and should be kept under an old tarpaulin in a museum.


No, scott squirrels are motorcycles, designed and built to be ridden about the place at high speed. It is their only function. Not riding a motorcycle means it cannot fulfill its function and is therefore useless.

This applies to all motorcycles. I'm going to a rally next month where I fully expect to see several pre-war BSAs, at least one Brough superior, vincent black shadows, panthers and Indians. All ridden there with a tent strapped to the back of them.

An unridden motorcycle is a crime against all that is right in this world.

I saw a guy having an absolute hoot on a BSA superbantam round Croft a while back. He had an MZ top-end conversion, spanny pipe and was running a Wahl-Philips fuel injector. It could shift too.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that they should be ridden, but I disagree that they should be modified or thrashed at trackdays. I'm just thinking of the number of bikes which don't come back in one piece, or at least the ones which come back in one big flat piece.

I think if there are only a few of a particular classic motorcycle, then the prospect of reducing that number even further is not a happy one!

At least with an RGV250 or something there are still enough around to make a good one to show kids in the future how bikes should be made! Smile

The Scott is another example of a bike which was way ahead of its time, and which bike design should be influenced by more than it is.

If you haven't guessed, I have a peculiar two stroke fetish that seems to normally come with advancing years! Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there is a lot to recommend any of the Yamaha RD series as track bikes. Be they air or liquid cooled.

The 350LC was one of the most popular track bikes of its time. There were even specialist companies that would rent you one to go thrash about on a track. That's whay most RDs you find these days have sump plugs drilled for lockwires.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: Whats the strangest track bike you've seen? Reply with quote

If you do enjoy the riding and trying to decently push it, then a 'main stream' bike is the best bet I reckon - not only can you pick them up sorted for less, but parts are more common and cheaper, as are tyres etc.

Seen a full-dress yamaha cruiser at Lydden, but was for a magazine test or similar, I believe (also a flat tracker).

Ridden a BMWK1200S around Brands.

Rd350s are worth a look, but were it me I'd be trying to get a cheap 600cc class bike - this should mean you're only left behind by the very fastest if you get into it and can corner/brake/get on the power decently.

It is nice to have a 'novel' track bike that'll get you lots of stares, but for fun, I reckon a cheap 600cc would offer me the best value for money.
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:
Do you want this bike to be road worthy as well or not?


Not really, if it has an MOT then Thumbs Up if not Rolling Eyes

I hate to say it, but the monkey makes me laugh too much to replace it at the moment.

If I had the money for a litre bike then it would get dropped like a stone Shifty but as far as what I need on the road it'll do me Wink

Weekend toy is what I'd be after.

G wrote:
If you do enjoy the riding and trying to decently push it, then a 'main stream' bike is the best bet I reckon - not only can you pick them up sorted for less, but parts are more common and cheaper, as are tyres etc.


Like Gaz mentioned a Divy, a bike that cn be bought cheap and dropped and ridden again without too much hassle would suit the bill nicely.

By turning up on a different bike, would you stand out like sore thumb? Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Seen a fair few. Old Vincent twin around Cadwell for example, and a Pan European.

Race Aprilia RS125s making some people on far larger bikes look rather slow.

Gazdaman wrote:
I saw someone go round Lydden on a ZZR600 once, in inters, the suspension bounced so much I was convinced he was going to come off each corner


Should be easily sorted. The ZZR600 was a competitive race bike when it came out and gave the CBR600 a hard time, and winning the 1990 600 championship.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:06 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:

Like Gaz mentioned a Divy, a bike that cn be bought cheap and dropped and ridden again without too much hassle would suit the bill nicely.

By turning up on a different bike, would you stand out like sore thumb? Laughing

Loads of people on such bikes in Novice/inters.

If the main purpose of this bike is a track bike, then you can probably find a ready-sorted track bike that can be crashed cheaper with less hassle for not too much.

Naked bikes mean less fairings, but not only do fairings protect the engine casings a bit, but they are easily repaired with gaffa tape on a cheap track bike Smile.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just havnt had time for my CBR 600 project bike. If your after a bike which needs a little TLC let me know.
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PostPosted: 02:51 - 27 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with G, buy a track 600. Have a look on motoforum.net, loads of ex race bikes with full spares packages, wets on wheels, sorted suspensiona nd fueling, for not much money. An old CBR6 steelie would be ideal I'd say.
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