Police - preventing crime or making better criminals?

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Just having a browse and found an article on MCN site.
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[the grim reaper]

I reckon maybe one in twenty would go on to use the skills for legal purposes, the rest will just be less likely to get caught next time. The alternative, IMO, is to use that money to put more Police on the bloody streets, especially in 'problem areas'. Not rocket science is it?

Oh and I don't mean those bloody useless CSOs either, they have no more power than a traffic warden and the kids know it.

Cheers

Grim
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[freestyler_onli]

Couldn't agree more about the CSOs.

[NickD]

It doesn't have to be this complicated, the only effective solution can be summed up in 3 words 'Appropriate fucking punishment'.

Ok, 2 words without the swearing.
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[killa]

All pikey boy(z) want is a crosser to rag round a field and possibly burn when it runs out of fuel because they can't afford to run it.

Sort that out, sort the problem.

One of the things i learned when working on off roaders was how to hot wire them. lol
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[SoND]

Giving them something to do is a good thing, a lot of people only go out stealing shit because they don't have anything better to do. Let them build their own bike and they might take some pride in their work. Then smash it to bits whenever they're finished and they might see first hand what it's like to lose something you worked for.

Eddie jordan has a show where he has taken some car thieves off the street and is teaching them car mechanics. It's a good watch.

https://www.five.tv/aboutfive/press/pressreleases/20062103_eddiejordan/
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[pa_broon74]

They have a motorbike project in Haddington (near Edinburgh.) Not sure if its still running right enough, funding is always a problem for these things.

As was mentioned before, if it gives young folk an interest/something to do then its probably a good idea.

Ruling it out because a small minority would use the skills learnt to advance their criminal career seems unfair on the majority who won't.

Would be nice if it was easier to secure a bike, put in anchor points at designated bike parking areas. 4 moderately sized neds could probably lift my bike & run away with it...

[SoND]

[Handsome]

Agree with Grim above...
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[mchaggis]

Most bikes are so easy to steal/ hotwire it's untrue. Your only hope is an immobiliser and mammoth chains etc and even that's hardly guaranteed. It seems most neds seem to have 'how to steal a bike' drummed into them from an early age, so I doubt this course would help them any more.
I think if it did catch them at an early enough age to stir a passion in them rather than just make them even more aware of how easy bikes are to steal, it'd be a good thing and quite worth while.
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[freestyler_onli]

We were having a row the other day about whether CSOs/Rentacops were worth it.

We voted on worth it - yes - but not for the government to keep spending money on them as they're cheaper - and not on full time officers.

The reason they're cheap is that they don't/can't do anything.......

[Adam80UK]

These kind of initiatives sicken me!!! We are paying for scroats to learn stuff that would be useful to me yet I'd have to pay for it because I don't commit crime or live in slagsville.
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[alliamc]

[Kal]

There was a successful scheme run in the fens - very similar - about a decade and a half or so ago. They took the little twockers and put them into a workshop with some Minis.

They spent all their free time in the workshop with some mechanical supervision so they didn't have the time and energy to twock around.

As they got the Minis sorted they took them all to a local banger racing circuit and smashed the hell out of them.

Turns out it was cheaper, and safer than trying to track them down while they are thrashing the hell out of someones car.

Put it this way. The little shits that steal your bike to thrash it round a local park and then destroy it already have the skills to do that already.

If they attend a scheme this scheme they are going to have less time to to be nicking your bike.
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[alliamc]

I have to add, I do think it's good that they're trying to find solutions, but I really stand strongly against rewarding bad behaviour when those behaving well are getting nothing for being hardworking.
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[Kal]

It costs more to Police the little shits when they are running around the park.

After my CeeGee got stolen I kicked off at the local Police (politiely) which didn't get anywhere. However chatting with my local bike shop (which tries to avoid the Police out of general principle) turns out that the scrotes are stealing two three bikes a week - every week.

I put this to the Police and pointed out that the average value of what was going was a grand. So two grand a week - over a hundred grand a year.

They eventually mounted a large operation and they recovered some bikes but didnt get the little shits. Sadly they didnt recover my CeeGee either.

End of the story its cheaper to run schemes like this and reform as many of the little shits as they can before they end up getting arrested than it is to chase down every last one of them when they are razzing bikes round the local parks.

You want the massive overwhelming Police presence that is required to actually make a real difference to these little shits then pay for it. It wont be cheap, but it will mean that there will be a whole lot more Police on the roads to chase down those pesky speeders while they are about it.

Is it fair? Probably not but life isnt fair. I behaved myself more or less as a kid. I didn't get these opportunities but I am not going to cry about it.

In the words of Dennis Leary "I thought I was going to be the starting centre fielder for the Boston RedSox. Life sucks, get a fucking helmet."
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[Pete.]

There was a scheme a few years back run by a non-police volunteer that got a bunch of teenage druggies in N Wales and set them to work building a custom Streetfighter bike. One guy headed it up and by all accounts it was a roaring success, getting kids out of the "apathy" state of mind and giving them a purpose. BY all accounts they produced a very respectable bike.
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[Skudd]

i would love my 12 year old son to do a bike course, learn to fix and ride them. Then use those skills with local off road riding and be able to fix his own bike.
Trouble is he is law abiding and would say boo to a goose, and on Merseyside there are no legal areas to ride a bike off road. I checked that one out before I bought him a bike. He just doesn't get why the local scum can ride around on local fields on bikes but he can't. Try teaching your kids to work hard, be good and you will be rewarded with the things you want to do. In reallity it is be a thug and do what you want.
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