Your solutions to congestion.

[Itchy]

Your solutions to congestion.

The government only ever has two solutions to problems they have:

#1 ban it (like guns , demonstrations etc)
#2 tax it (like obesity , congestion, full bins)

Generally since they don't have a clue how the real world works being isolated
in their ivory tax payer granted towers and going power mad thinking they are
gods.

So what are your solutions to solving an alledged congestion problem (I don't
see a congestion problem I can filter very quickly). Other than taxing it heavily in
addition to the high amounts of tax on motoring in the UK?.

Go on show some of that British ingenuity and solve congestion.

My solution is double decker roads, if you have ever been to Tokyo/Hong Kong
China you'll see roads where they litterally build pillars in the middle of the road and
have a fly over which follows the routes and then some of the road under it with the
occasional slip road to go up onto it and down from it.

Prime candiates are motorways like the M60 and M25 with the top deck being a
long distance deck so that slip roads only appear once every 3-4 junctions or one
deck goes clockwise the other anti clockwise. Which means you don't have to
buy more land and prefabs can be used and thus built very quickly except where
there are rivers.

I mean if China can do this , why can't we?.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Firstly get rid of bus lanes. Make bus stops off road, so they do not interfere with traffic flow when they stop.

More red routes with no stopping allowed.

Compulsory adequate on site parking for any new office building (and older buildings given longer to come up with on site parking). Stops people driving round to find a space / stopping in a queue to get into a car park.

More intelligent traffic lights, so that for many people once you get to a green light the next ones will also be on green (assuming you do not try for a 10 second standing 1/4, or bimble off slowly).

Split the ends of motorways up so they do not just dump all the traffic at one roundabout.

Tunnels in cities to bypass certain areas.

Encourage working from home (which probably needs to be targetted at employers). Encourage flexable hours (again targetted at employers).

Road works could certainly be done in less time. Ones on the M6 now took a few weeks of disruption before they even started the useful work.

All the best

Keith
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firstly stop all these parents with 4x4's driving their kids the half a mile to school
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[Al]

Well there isn't really a solution apart from taxing less well off people off the road.
You've got a high population on a small island all driving to the same places at the same time.......shits gonna hit the fan!

My personal solution is fast filtering and a velcro fixed number plate
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[hellkat]

If they sent all the illegal immigrants home (and impounded their cars) there'd be a lot more room on the roads, in buses, trains, not to mention on the pavements, in shops, benefits and housing offices, etc.

And less likelihood of catching tuberculosis as well (another form of congestion we wouldn't like to see on the increase).
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[tokarev]

If one needs to go from one part of Central London to another then I would suggest walking rather than taking the car. It is fun (when it is not pissing down with rain) and good for the health.

[froggeh]

I agree with bus stops off-road.
Bikes should be able to use bus lanes.
Bus lanes I would keep.
Bikes zero road tax.
Cars increased for anything over 1.4 ltre (?)
Small cars less.
Comgestion charges except for cars with >1 passenger
Public transport re-nationalised, and more subsidies.
Remove road markings (slows traffic down - which in busy situations reduces congestion)
"Park and ride" - in certain places. - More traffic free centres.

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[Itchy]

300 million out of 1.15 billion ,
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[cestrian]

Someone mentioned this on here not too long ago....a motorway heading into Liverpool if I remember correctly....
On motorways, have signage instructing drivers to use the left lane unless they are overtaking. Apparently this made a huge difference on that particular motorway.

Motorway left lane = 60mph for trucks and grannies. Middle lane at 70 or 75MPH for commuters. Right lane = 90mph, (maybe faster) for those in a hurry.

Cities/busy towns... better 'park and ride' facilities with huge articulated buses for big cities.

Free tax for 'green' vehicles like motorbikes and Smart cars. Both take up precious little parking space. Free or at least half-price parking for such vehicles.

I'm not a politician so don't flame me.

[innominate]

Well, more home working would help a lot.

I do a 15mile each way commute to work & tbh there is not much need for me to be in the office for most of the stuff I do.




Drivers are the main cause of congestion, get rid of as many of them as possible.
Get the cars to drive themselves, technology is nearly ready for it, only problem is auto drive would probably need a tracking device for the system to work.
Which would kind of lead to the road pricing these suggestions are meant to resolve.

+ if the auto drive systems did get in wide use then I could go the pub in my car and get wasted, then be driven home.

FTW!!!
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[matthab]

people for those of us who have been to new york it Doesnt take a genious to see what theyve done to keep traffic low in the centre of towns.

Improve public transport!!!!

Like i would take the bus if they were reliable and cheaper than using my bike. As i lived out there for a month with a mate (long holiday kind of thing). And we didnt take the car as it was cheaper to use the bus which came every 10 mins and was on time.

The Train is another solution. In new york they have one always coming so if you miss it you can get enougher train soon. Its easyto under stand as the trains are coloured and numbered and they have something called express routes which only take you to main stations.

So theres my answer. Istead of pumping money into stopping cars why dont they give us a better alternitive!!!
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[RickHolt]

Monitor main traffic routes into main cities with cameras. Keep an eye out for idiots that pull up or park in stupid places. Other things like accidents, breakdowns, crap in the road, stupid signs/distractions could be cleared up faster.

(People leaving their car/van/lorry in everyones way, then turning on their hazard lights, as if it makes everything ok is one of my pet peeves.)

Try and get people to leave just a few minutes earlier for work. Even if it only makes them drive more carefully it would help. People might set off for work earlier if they feel like they can go in, watch the news, have something to eat, and not be pressured to start working just because they're in early.

Rick.

[angryjonny]

Get rid of those infernal bendy-buses and replace them with good old double-deckers.

Make the trains and tubes bearable.

Build more roads. Don't be afraid to pull down buildings to do so.

Exaggerate the tax-gap between small economical cars and luxo-barges. Reduce the former and increase the latter.

Abolish the concept of a "working week" being Mon-Fri, 9-6.

Encourage working-from-home, where possible.

Place bouncers outside schools to thump people who use an entire car to drive one kid less than 2 miles.

[techierob]

blocking off routes through residential areas and sticking "traffic calming" measures on arterial roads seem to have contributed more to congestion in recent years than any increase in traffic volume. Then there's the fact that a lot of traffic light timings really don't seem to make any sense at all and there are plenty of places where a central reservation could be replaced with a filter lane to reduce congestion around some junctions and the like.
Schemes like congestion charging and road pricing are all headline grabbers and create the impression that something is getting done, but a smaller investment in road planning would have much better results for much less investment.

Most of the problems seem to be down to the government's attitude. They're quite happy to either stop people doing something or making it prohibitively expensive for people to do something, but they wouldn't even consider actually helping people to do something.

[froggeh]

Just to add...
Totally agree with more homeworking. Where I worked last, I could quite easily have done 90% of it from home, yet it was actively discouraged.

Where time is needed to be spet in the office/factory, much more scope for flexible hours where possible.
Again I was happy to come in at 9:30-10:00 and go at 6:00-6:30, but wasn't an option "because the boss said so"

Geo-stationary space-stations... ok maybe not just yet.

[yambabe]

A give way green filter option at all suitable sets of traffic lights.

More reliable public transport, not too fussed if the train/bus is a bit old & scruffy if it can get me where I want to go when I need to be there!

More flexible working hours.

Smaller local schools, especially at primary level, with a parking exclusion zone of at least half a mile.

Teaching people how to drive correctly and keep to the left on motorways and dual carriageways unless overtaking.

Offering incentives (tax breaks maybe?) for car-sharing.

More and better cycle paths, with small bikes (up to 125cc perhaps) allowed to use them, or possibly even all bikes.
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[andrew]

They have no intention on solving congestion, if they did they'd have nothing to tax.

I've been doing the same journey to work every day for the last 6 years, in the last 6 months or so they've changed the sequence of the lights, all this seems to have done is increase the amount of traffic. In fact, what used to be a 25 minute journey, now takes around 40 minutes.

I'm guessing, as soon as the congestion zone is extended the lights will be changed back to how they were before and the extended congestion zone will be credited with the decrease in traffic.

For most urban areas, all they need to do is restrict people driving their kids to school. I was never driven to school and it did me no harm at all. These days, you have stuck up slags driving their little rat children to school in the biggest car they can find. No matter what the weather.

It's half term at the moment and a lot of roads that are usually chocked full are empty.

[JonB]

Too right. I used to walk to school and it was great fun, leave with your mates and have a laugh on the way too or way back from school. Sitting in the passenger seat of a car does not have the appeal.
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[Itchy]

I think I agree , my timing of lights into Mancs used to be perfect , I noticed the sequence change recently at two major junctions

this has added 10 minutes to my commute.
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