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shleppy
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: CDI: would the cdi for an er5 be the same as a gpz500 Reply with quote

i now really need a cdi for an er5 and because of their stupid deisgn they are in short supply, i dont think i can afford the price of a new one, so i need to find out but all the breakers ive contacted do not have one.

can someone tell me if the cdi for a gpz500 would work with the er5.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

they look the same, just a different colour. whether they do the same is a different story.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

what heppend to the one on ebay shleppy ?
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

probably went for a fortune.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

it was on £15 last time i seen it with like 2 days to go
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: grrr Reply with quote

went for £92, i didnt get it, i was well pissed
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

would you have payed that for it ?
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

at this point, quite alot
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbh thats what puts me off them bikes, i have heard they go wrong a lot on them .
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 16 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

shleppy -

I saw your other thread, there is still some hope for you.

CDIs are generally are pretty tough and have a lot of internal protection - they are the last thing that will go pop.

You say your Rev counter is damaged. The rev counter takes it's signal off the low tension side of the coil. If the rev counter has broken and is grounding it's signal wire, then you'll get a misfire. Possibly if you disconnect the rev counter signal wire, the engine will stop misfiring. If you point me at a wiring diagram I can be a bit less vague.

Your bike is a twin yes? how many coils has it got, and have you checked the spark from each one?

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PostPosted: 02:22 - 17 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CDIs have a different advance curve because the engines have a different fuelling profile in the carbs, you wont believe how much 'till you see the throttle needles next to one another. The GPZ has a much hotter cam too.

There are also two different CDIs for the GPZ, one engine has a wasted spark, the other doesn't (although the wasted spark one still has two seperate coils, which struck me as odd)

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The rev counter takes it's signal off the low tension side of the coil.


On the GPZ500 and the KLE500 the rev counter takes its signal direct from the CDI box via a specific wire, not from the coils. I presume an ER5 would be the same given the engine is broadly similar.

So in short, the answer is no. The advance curve on a GPZ500 CDI would not match the fuelling on an ER5 engine. I would imagine there is a fair possability of holes spontaneously appearing in the middle of your pistons were you to attempt it.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 17 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schleppy sent we the wiring diagram and I spotted the direct link to the ignitor to the rev counter. Unfortunately that means that the signal is probably taken from the less protected side of the ignitor gubbins. There's still some hope for disconnecting them, but I'm more pessimistic about it.

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PostPosted: 12:24 - 17 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put a GPZ500s D1 rev counter on a GPZ500s C and it reads exactly half revs.

If I worked it out correctly, that means the D models have two pickup coils and the C models have just the one.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 17 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

have sourced an expensive cdi from a breakers after frantic midnight emailing. just gonna get that, they are so hard to come buy. ty for explaining it better i was doubtful that it would be possilbe to interchange the cdi's
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 17 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I put a GPZ500s D1 rev counter on a GPZ500s C and it reads exactly half revs.

If I worked it out correctly, that means the D models have two pickup coils and the C models have just the one.


Would have thought it's more to do with the wasted spark model difference (one pulse per crank revolution, instead of one pulse per every other revolution)? Even on the non-wasted spark model, I would have thought it would have a single pick-up but with an oddly notched actuator so it can tell which part of the revolution it is on. Should be easy enough to figure out from the ignitor box wiring.

If it's an ongoing situation, just about every bike of that era used exactly the same rev counter IC which is simply calibrated with external resistors. Crack open the rev counter and look for a high precision resistor (gold band). Half it's value. Or is that double it?

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