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PostPosted: 18:07 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Inheritance Tax - New Petittion Reply with quote

I was recently sent a link to the wonderful Number 10 petitions site. A national paper has started a campaign to abolish IHT from our robbing goverment.

so far it has got well over 34,000 signatures and seems to be growing by around 10-15 a minute.

Please just take a moment of your time to sign your name.... then after that wait a minute to refresh the page and watch your name move quickly up the list!

Its just a polite reminder to Gordon 'Bastard' Brown that people are getting fed up with IHT and also to kindly stop raping the hard working people of this country...

For the record... IHT is an utter disgrace and its a really insult when you are forced to hand over the money of a loved one who has recently passed on

>>LINK<< >> https://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ihtcrusade

Please take the time to pass this around to any one/group you know may be interested.

Thanks Karma
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i agree.

you are taxed on everything you earn, you are taxed on everything you buy, you are taxed on any interest you earn on savings, and then they go and take a huge whack off you when you die

bloody cheek

no chance of them abolishing it, but they should at least raise the threshold

years ago only the rich paid it, but the threshold hasnt moved up with inflation

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at first i thought i cdnt be arsed signing, but i just have, and it only takes about 10 seconds, so do it


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PostPosted: 21:36 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fucking right.

When I kick the bucket I don't want my (hopefully vast) fortune going to some corrupt fat-bastard politician just so he can buy a golden button for his coat made out of third-world children.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers guys Thumbs Up

if you keep an eye on the stats you will see the numbers going up... nearly 2,500 have signed since i did just a few hours ago.

It could be hoped that media interest will ignite a good debate once they see how many people are upset about it.

Please spread the word, who knows mabye the 'bastards' we (largely) call politicians will take note

Its so annoying, the only loop hole open has now been shut and made harder.. a very close person to myself passed away several years ago, all the money had to be placed into various savings etc for over seven years before it can be touched... it still will be TAXed Sad however not to the robbing extent those wankers want Middle Finger

thanks again peeps Karma
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if we eradicate this kind of tax, what will they do to claw back that awfully large defecit?

Can't but help think its a very stupid poll but for the love of it, I can't get any enthusiasm to research it and come up with a decent argument. Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 08 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats a fair comment.. and your right, they most likley will try to claw back lost funds because thats the way they are...

unfortunatly is a position most people won't understand until they are faced with it... there is nothing more upsetting and insulting than the tax man stood at your door ordering you hand over the loved ones hard earned cash
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So if we eradicate this kind of tax, what will they do to claw back that awfully large defecit?


But if we all sit back and allow the politicians a free rein they will continue to increase taxes whilst creating new ones.

It is peoples apathy which allows them to get away with it.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 09 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that I would ever sign any of those utterly useless polls, I do think the threshold should be increased.
There is a good reason for inheritance tax. Or rather there was. It now affects people who it was never intended for.

It should be purely there to stop rich cnuts avoiding income tax and suchlike.
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PostPosted: 00:51 - 10 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
So if we eradicate this kind of tax, what will they do to claw back that awfully large defecit?


Make massive cuts in public services that I dont use, and radically modernise ones that I might do to make them more efficient.

For starters, reverse the ridiculously high pay rise that GPs got recently.

On the subject of doctors, i think they should stop employing doctors that have been trained to much lower standards in foreign countries, until they have passed english medical exams.

Also old doctors who have never bothered to refresh their knowledge should have regular exams on new developments.

No armed forces, no more invading countries because america says so.

No royal family, and they have to pay tax on everything they own. If they want to use things that belong to the country they have to pay for them.

Prisons turned into factories where they make useful things, and then sell them.

Voluntary euthenasia available to anyone who claims a state pension, or pension from public sector job.

No more farm subsidies.

You dont get shop subsidies, or call centre subsidies, so why farm subsidies. Ludicrous. If they go out of business, good. Welcome to the real world where jobs arent for life.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The royal family pays more for itself in tourism and if you did not know that, prehaps you should research abit more colin.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I am not sure. While not having to pay tax is nice, inheritance tax is one that I am not too unhappy about. It is not money the tax payer has earnt.

On the other hand it is a rather easy tax for those who are organised tp avoid.

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:09 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

I am not sure. While not having to pay tax is nice, inheritance tax is one that I am not too unhappy about. It is not money the tax payer has earnt.

On the other hand it is a rather easy tax for those who are organised tp avoid.

All the best

Keith


not anymore , you can give 100% to a spouse, but if you decide to go by PET , ie give 7 years before you die , you completely avoid IHT but fall into capital gains tax instead which is worse since its got a lower 'free limit'
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
not anymore , you can give 100% to a spouse, but if you decide to go by PET , ie give 7 years before you die , you completely avoid IHT but fall into capital gains tax instead which is worse since its got a lower 'free limit'


What about schemes with trust funds and the like?

All the best

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PostPosted: 21:48 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont really think they thought out the statement very well:

"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to ensure that inheritance tax is scrapped in this year's Budget"

Sounds a bit childish to me.

They could have said instead:

"We the undersigned never really cared about Inheritance tax before as the £275,000 free allowance meant that most people didnt have to pay anything, but since the house price boom we have suddenly realised that we might have to pay something to get hold of our parents suddenly very expensive property."

And the free untaxed limit goes up to £285,000 this year.
https://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/inheritance.htm


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PostPosted: 21:49 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:
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So if we eradicate this kind of tax, what will they do to claw back that awfully large defecit?


Maybe increase fuel tax as always, oh, and fag tax?
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 19 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the fact that more and more people are choosing not to marry...
I wonder if you could marry your sons GF, or daughters BF, or in fact have a civil partnership to whoever... just before you kick the bucket, and hand over... ?


Just a thought.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trusts are a grey area , there are two trusts , bad and worse ,

Both if given while you are alive still eat into your 275K 'free limit'

Bad , still gives rise to small charges but sort of acts like a big fat bank account
where you are allowed the interest but not the capital.


Worse as above but ALL income cept dividends is taxed @ 40% before it gets into
the hands of the beneficiary.

Problem is with trusts is you have to trust the trustees , trustees I work with often take
60% of the income for 'trust management' and give 40% to the beneficiary.


I do know about 3 ways to avoid the tax , but its not really avoidance since you still have
to pay for the tax its just sort of paying it but not out of your pocket.


Frog , this might work , but relies on trust , ie my dad has a fair wedge , he may marry
the girlie I'm trying to get into the sack, but if she suddenly had my Dad's wedge would she
stay with me? , no.

There may also be an overturning as this might be considered a sham and therefore such
tax free rules not apply, HMRC is a law into itself , since it self regulates ie tax inspectors
sit on the appeal committees , what it says is canon.


lots of things should work but the anti avoidance rules are vast and biblical, ie selling everything
for 1p to anybody but a stranger = connected party rule ,

Giving your house to your sprog, while living in it = gift with covenant , so it gets hammered by
both inheritance tax and capital gains tax.

There is a really silly avoidance method it works but it involves NR750s , NR750s you say yet tax
avoidance using NR750s,a motorbike, thing is NR750s are rare,
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

itchy wrote:

Frog , this might work , but relies on trust , ie my dad has a fair wedge , he may marry
the girlie I'm trying to get into the sack, but if she suddenly had my Dad's wedge would she
stay with me? , no.


I think we'd have to assume that you trust both your partner and your dad Wink
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

froggeh wrote:
itchy wrote:

Frog , this might work , but relies on trust , ie my dad has a fair wedge , he may marry
the girlie I'm trying to get into the sack, but if she suddenly had my Dad's wedge would she
stay with me? , no.


I think we'd have to assume that you trust both your partner and your dad Wink



I asked my boss he said no there is anti avoidance law to prevent sham weddings
they over turn it , your gift , suddenly becomes a chargable transfer = tons of tax.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Itchy wrote:
not anymore , you can give 100% to a spouse, but if you decide to go by PET , ie give 7 years before you die , you completely avoid IHT but fall into capital gains tax instead which is worse since its got a lower 'free limit'


What about schemes with trust funds and the like?

All the best

Keith

I have just spent £1,200 on organising my will to avoid large proportions of IHT in the future. Basically you set up a couple of trust funds (which IHT can't touch if organised correctly) and change the way your house is owned. Also you remove certain items (like jewellery and other valuables from you will - and make them (I forget the exact term) 'wishes'. They therefore don't form part of your estate & are not taxable.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pardon my stupidity, but would you have to hand over say a certain percentage of the house sale, or would it be their entire 'fortune' like cars, jewellery? surly if they had a lot of money in bank accounts you could give a shit load to your family to 'hide' from the tax man?
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 27 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote lots and deleted it, as I think I'm going over old ground over and over, (you got
ripped off btw)

you can avoid IHT very easily the problem is it tends to fall into other types of tax,the
goal of the game here is to pay as little tax as possible.

trusts avoid IHT but fall into income tax and Trust self assessment up to 40% tax before
it lands in the wallets of your children

gifts (to connected parties which is very very wide definition) avoid IHT but fall into
capital gains

very small gifts are tax free,

capital gains avoidance falls into IHT

its all circular! ,

there are all sorts of rules designed to prevent selling things for 1p to avoid tax, buying things
hours before you die etc.
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