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PostPosted: 19:41 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Black kids in education Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6413265.stm

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Black pupils are routinely punished more harshly, praised less and told off more often in English schools than other pupils, an official report says.

It says the staff in many schools are "unwittingly" racist, with black youngsters three times more likely than white to be expelled permanently.


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One argument holds that "largely unwitting, but systematic, racial discrimination" means staff expect black pupils to behave worse.

The other argument is that black pupils, especially boys, are subject to outside influences and cultural stereotypes that cause them to behave more aggressively in school.

The report favours making schools the focus. It says they can be categorised broadly as those that "get it" and those that "don't get it".


Why are people incapable of approaching Race issues with a spine?

When I was at school in Harrow (in, not at!) many of the black kids DID behave far worse than the crackers, and I find it perfectly believable that this was 3 times as serious among black kids than white.

Young black kids - especially male - are more likely to behave badly in school - not due to racism - but due to social and family factors that may themselves have racial connotations.

When will mysterious report-writers stop labeling every organisation in sight as Institutionally Racist, when they mean "We are too scared to point out the huge behavioural problems in the ethnic communities."?

Once again, time and money will now be spent chasing phantom 'unwitting racist attitudes' instead of being invested in providing kids with opportunities to learn and grow.

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PostPosted: 09:15 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally, you are right, but because some of the black kids are more assertive and defiant than most of the white kids, even the mild mannered black kids are treated the same way by association. Its not fair but it happens.

In which case, the pc brigade also have a point.

Its the same thing with poor white trash kids.

As a teacher, you will want to stamp down hard on anyone who looks like they could be a consistent trouble maker. You need to for the other kids.

Education may be 'failing' the kids who fight against the system. by expelling them so they learn nothing, but this benefits the other kids who stand a lot better chance to learn without trouble makers in their class.

One way they are trying to tackle this, is trying to get more black male teachers, to act as role models. So when i did a teaching course, the african guys on my course who's english wasnt great, were sent to the best schools on placements so they would breeze through the course, to guarantee that there would be some black male teachers to enter the profession.

I resented this, but may have been sour grapes on my part to some extent.

Three cheers for positive discrimination.

But i guess if it works in the long run, it may be worth it.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 03 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
Generally, you are right, but because some of the black kids are more assertive and defiant than most of the white kids, even the mild mannered black kids are treated the same way by association. Its not fair but it happens.

In which case, the pc brigade also have a point.


I don't believe that they do, just as I don't believe that in this day and age, such alleged practise is as widespread as you or the article suggest.

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Its the same thing with poor white trash kids.


It's the same thing with whites and blacks? Where's the discrimination?

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Education may be 'failing' the kids who fight against the system. by expelling them so they learn nothing, but this benefits the other kids who stand a lot better chance to learn without trouble makers in their class.


I agree, especially with your inverted commas.

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One way they are trying to tackle this, is trying to get more black male teachers, to act as role models. So when i did a teaching course, the african guys on my course who's english wasnt great, were sent to the best schools on placements so they would breeze through the course, to guarantee that there would be some black male teachers to enter the profession.

I resented this, but may have been sour grapes on my part to some extent.

Three cheers for positive discrimination.

But i guess if it works in the long run, it may be worth it.


I don't believe it ever can be worth it.

We are taught that anything built on discrimination is shocking when it refers to whites gaining, so how can it be any different the other way round?

For a start, the impetus for change has to come from the families and communities of this kids, it's too late to start doing anything once they are in school. People also need to stop adopting a 'Vicimised' culture, and start taking advantage of the free and plural society we live in.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's the delicious work from a survey by people not in public education.
being only 20 it wasn't long ago that i left free education. and considering my sister's 15 i know its not changed much since i left.

it's not racist, in my school there weren't many black children (largely white community), but for the ones who were there it was about a 80/20 divide on being gangsta's or being there to learn.

this is really just more noticable as there weren't many black kids there, and the same could be said easily about the white kids. but that can't be spun as racist, it's not good reading material.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 04 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

h00dwink wrote:
......it's not good reading material.


I think you've hit on the key aspect of such reports.

Anyone writing a report knows that if they say "Hey, Black kids aren't performing, and some of it might actually be their fault" they will face a storm of protest. Conversely, if they say "Hey, it's Whitey's institutions being racialist again" they can be 100% certain that almost no-one will dare to disagree.

The precedent was set some years ago, when the Met Police Commissioner was subjected to howls of derision after one of his statements included the bald facts about young black males vs. street crime.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 13 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

At my school, every single black and asian boy (admittedly there were only 30 of them, but still) was a 'gangsta', violent, abusive and took every single liberty given to them on the basis of their skin colour.

Which, in a white middle-class school, was a whole lot of liberties.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 01 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:56 - 01 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:02 - 01 Oct 2018    Post subject: Reply with quote

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