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Itchy
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 01 Mar 2007    Post subject: lighter alternatives to VFR750 Reply with quote

Bye bye NC30 project!

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However I'm now at a loss to what bike to buy instead with the VFR750 reading up says 219kilos dry ! Shocked , appauling , any alternatives preferably lighter much much lighter?


Any thoughts?

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PostPosted: 20:50 - 01 Mar 2007    Post subject: Re: Bye bye NC30 project! (alternatives to VFR750) Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


the opposition are all on 636s , CBR600s and 600 nakeds like HOrnets and fazers?



Looks like it has to be a 636 then
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 01 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

surely the V4 has more torque and only a few horses behind? , I'm thinking the VFR = good cus I do enourmous mileage , and intend to cram at least 16000k on this summer in Europe ,
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 01 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
surely the V4 has more torque and only a few horses behind? , I'm thinking the VFR = good cus I do enourmous mileage , and intend to cram at least 16000k on this summer in Europe ,
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Depends how/where your using the power, and your budget Wink whats a vfr750 at the wheel? 90bhp ish I think, torque is debatable. If your budget doesnt stretch to a post 2003 model 636 though, it may be a decent enough option.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

VFR750
(curtesy https://www.onlineconversion.com/torque.htm)
53ft/lbs @ 9500 rpm = 7.327 512 602 kilogram meter

vs

636

66 N·m {6.7 kgf·m} / 11,700 rpm

oh yes......
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternatives to the VFR? I don't think they exist do they? Maybe the latest BMW Sports-Twins or Triumph 1050.

In terms of all-day, everyday, do anything useability with good reliability and superb build, maybe a CBR600F?
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:
Alternatives to the VFR? I don't think they exist do they? Maybe the latest BMW Sports-Twins or Triumph 1050.

In terms of all-day, everyday, do anything useability with good reliability and superb build, maybe a CBR600F?


Agreed! The VFR750/800 and the BMW are in their own league when it comes to covering huge miles in comfort and ease and dont need repairing every other week.

219Kg is no problem for a bike that is built as solid as they are, can't see what the problem is.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the older design ZX9? Still got decent sports ability (no where near a modern bike as stock though), decent midrange but a fair bit less weight than the vfr.

Also, of course the fireblade.

I quite like the riding position of the ZX9, but if you prefer higher clip ons, that's not too expensive to do.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 02 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

[IL4]
FZ1(199kg) + full cowl op don't know well.
Z750S(199kg) it had less torque at low rev.

[triple]
Triumph Sprint ST (213kg). I like it but don't know well.

[twin]
Ducati ST3( ? kg) it had sporty position than I expected.
ER-6f (178kg). very light and upright compact position.
F800ST(190kg?) don't know well.

VFR or Sprint ST ?
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a VFR800 and the weight isnt really a issue once you get use to it.

to ride it you wouldnt think its as heavy as it is, you can really chuck it about. moving it about and lifting onto center stand is where you notice it but once you've done it a couple of times you dont even notice it then.

The 800 is a great bike. I can highly recommend it, i cant really comment on the 750 as i havent rode one
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PostPosted: 06:26 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have probably said a Firestorm.

Its a V twin VFR really. Yeah so it doesn't have quite the same tank range, but its comfy and is a reliable torquey 100bhp Honda.

And it weighs a LOT less.
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HONDA-VTR-1000-firestorm-WILL-NOT-SWAP-W-H-Y-WINK-WINK_W0QQitemZ170085305085QQihZ007QQcategoryZ9806QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Bikez.com says 193kg dry.
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
VFR750
(curtesy https://www.onlineconversion.com/torque.htm)
53ft/lbs @ 9500 rpm = 7.327 512 602 kilogram meter

vs

636

66 N·m {6.7 kgf·m} / 11,700 rpm

oh yes......


66 Nm = about 48 ft/lbs if that's any help?
So,

VFR 53 ft.lbs @ 9500
636 48 ft.lbs @ 11700
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I'd have probably said a Firestorm.

Its a V twin VFR really. Yeah so it doesn't have quite the same tank range, but its comfy and is a reliable torquey 100bhp Honda.

And it weighs a LOT less.


hmm really interesting since there was a 2000 reg T+T £1800 firestorm 20K for sale parked next to a VFR , I hear awful things about tank range though , much like the Hornet its a very thirsty engine and a very small tank = trouble , 120 miles to reserve and 80 hammering it? (I'm far too used to rat bikes giving 190 to reserve).
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunderace...

Surprisingly comfy, not expensive, and VERY quick...

if you've got a bit more cash, and want comfort and distance more than sportsbike performance, then FJR1300.. it handles surprisingly well for a big bike.

At 240kg, it's not THAT much heavier than the VFR, but with 140bhp and almost as many torques, it's very rapid.

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PostPosted: 13:38 - 05 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The VFR750 IS is a bit heavy, and not as chuckable as I'd like. You can improve it by jacking up the rear and fitting heavier fork springs, but its still a bit of a beast to wheel around at walking pace. Once you're on the move though, its very well balanced.

Comparing it to the firestorm, the firestorm is lighter, thinner, and compared to my VFR at least, the quality of the suspension is in a different league.

On the other hand, the tank range on the firestorm is rubbish, and the engine character doesn't even bear comparison. The firestorm is fine, not too lumpy low down, but i hated the vibey lumpiness at high revs. The VFR is smooth all the the way from the bottom of the rev range to the top, yet somehow lumpy, interesting and full of character. Each section of the rev range has its own feel and sound, and they are all beautiful.

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P.S. When i wanted something lighter, i bought my MZ (which i can pick up off the floor with one hand), but i bought it to compliment the VFR, not instead...
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