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"I fuckin hate racists" - Fran.
Hi Fran, I understand your feelings, but I also understand why Harley Godzisz is pissed off about the situation we have in this country. I too dislike the situation we have with regards to immigration, but it's not the fault of the immigrants, it's the fault of the government.
If I may, a hypothetical question. If by some crazy turn of events, your street and then your town or city became over-run with people who you could not understand, who refuse to learn our language, wanted to impose their laws upon you and your family, made getting a job difficult for members of your family, sapping the resources of the tiny island you live upon, and making you feel like a foreigner in your own country of birth, would you be happy with that?
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cestrian wrote: | If I may, a hypothetical question. If by some crazy turn of events, your street and then your town or city became over-run with people who you could not understand, who refuse to learn our language, wanted to impose their laws upon you and your family, made getting a job difficult for members of your family, sapping the resources of the tiny island you live upon, and making you feel like a foreigner in your own country of birth, would you be happy with that? |
Its already happened.
I don't understand half the white scallies that I have the bad luck to meet.
He's still a racist fuckwit & I can only hope for death and pain for him and his ilk. ____________________ I, as a responsible adult human being, will never concede the power to anyone to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inwards is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border. Here I am the customs agent. I am the coast-guard. I am the sole legal and spiritual government of this territory, and only the laws I choose to enact within myself are applicable. |
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Posted: 10:04 - 08 Mar 2007 Post subject: |
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Completly agree Gord
That was a bit 'too' much for me also |
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JonB Afraid of Mileage
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Why don't we just deport all the useless British numpties who do nothing all day? Seems more preferable to me.
Nationality doesn't really bother me, if they can communicate well, i.e speak English and not wear a stupid veil over their face, then I will happily work with and interact with a foreigner, if they are just here to be lazy and scrounge, well then I feel the same about them as I do the British layabouts.
This isn't an immigration problem, it's a British Socialist problem. Too many greedy, lazy people in this country. ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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Posted: 11:43 - 08 Mar 2007 Post subject: |
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cestrian wrote: |
If I may, a hypothetical question. If by some crazy turn of events, your street and then your town or city became over-run with people who you could not understand, who refuse to learn our language, wanted to impose their laws upon you and your family, made getting a job difficult for members of your family, sapping the resources of the tiny island you live upon, and making you feel like a foreigner in your own country of birth, would you be happy with that?
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Well I live in a very cultural area, there are tensions and yet there is also a harmony about the place which I only wish could excist everywhere. I work in Oldham which is now famous for the race riots. My place of work has plenty of racist attitudes, the old, 'Oh the full streets just curry shops now' crap.
Well I can honestly say that your question may worry me if there was even a remote chance of it happening, but the difference is I would not then start mouthing off at people calling them 'pakis' etc. I dont have much pride in this country and its 'native' population of immigrants I myself not having that many generations here dont think I own the place. We are all here consuming resources one way or another, I think people only care about the fact that its harder to get rich quick in this day than it used to be......and if they put it down to all the asian people buying up the houses then thats their opinion. I dont want for much so my attitude is more laid back I suppose.
Whatever your political opinion is, if you become abusive you only undermine yourself and look retarded.
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cestrian wrote: | "I fuckin hate racists" - Fran.
Hi Fran, I understand your feelings, but I also understand why Harley Godzisz is pissed off about the situation we have in this country. I too dislike the situation we have with regards to immigration, but it's not the fault of the immigrants, it's the fault of the government.
If I may, a hypothetical question. If by some crazy turn of events, your street and then your town or city became over-run with people who you could not understand, who refuse to learn our language, wanted to impose their laws upon you and your family, made getting a job difficult for members of your family, sapping the resources of the tiny island you live upon, and making you feel like a foreigner in your own country of birth, would you be happy with that?
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Dang! My brain isn't working too well tonight, work too many hours you see. I can't tell if Kal is having a pop at me or not. Lack of facial expression (emoticons) isn't helping.
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innominate wrote: | He's still a racist fuckwit & I can only hope for death and pain for him and his ilk. |
People can call me what ever the fuck they like... Sticks n stones and all that crap... What i said is my Honest Opinion.
They come here cuse they know that they will get a free house, free car, free money in their hand, and free health... then there's us british peopel who work all our lives to try ad get what they have been GIVEN by the goverment because they felt "threatened" in their own country? Why the fuck can't theu just get a gun in their own country and sort out their problem there so it doesn't affect us then.
Labour have brought this country down to rock bottom in this area, anf its dragging most things down with it.
I can't get a job because the immagrents are cheaper to employ, cheaper to train, and easy to aquire.
Nobody seem's to want to go for the educated british worker anymore. I was in the Job center this morning, and in walked 3 packi guys who could NOT understand a word of english spoken, they got all the ehlp they wanted, a translator, a job each, and benefits all sorted there and then.... where as i have to sit there looking like a tramp compaired to what they will be recieving.
Sorry if i offend anybody, but this is quite possibably the only subject i ever get real arsey about!
I'm not racist, i just can't stand the vast majority (95%) of people living here who were born in Iraq, Iran, india, ect...
My little brither Lee who is 9 years old is racist, whenever he see's a muslem, he calls out "Nigga please!!" makes me laugh a bit (call me wrong if you care) but i do tell him to shut his pie hole.
I was born and raised in Egham, I'm a born and bread British, and i'll be damned if i'm ever gonna have a boss in a job who is one of the immagrents
Slate me as much as you like.. i don't really give a shit... I'm British, and i'll stay to my roots, not gonna let some packi get in there oh no sir ree.... |
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Harley Godzisz wrote: |
People can call me what ever the fuck they like... Sticks n stones and all that crap... What i said is my Honest Opinion.
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Unfortunately, while I'm sure it is honest, it appears rather un-informed in many places.
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That is such an appallingly over-generalisation that even someone like myself who is (opposed to further immigration) is forced to qualify it.
'They' come here for many reasons. Asylum seekers are entitled to apply for benefits and housing support, but they make up a TINY proportion of immigrants - illegal or otherwise. Asylum seekers make use of the same benefits system as British slackers, although they do get automatic priority which can appear to be unfair. Frankly, if we are accepting that they have fled some form of persecution and have nothing in this country, it's not so bad. Sadly, thanks to incompetent immigration officials, this is often not the case.
The majority of immigrants (illegal or otherwise) have to get a job and work like the rest of us. If you really want to get worked up about them, concentrate on things that are actually a problem, like their casual ignorance of the laws - such as driving with no license/insurance/MOT.
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then there's us british peopel who work all our lives to try ad get what they have been GIVEN by the goverment because they felt "threatened" in their own country? Why the fuck can't theu just get a gun in their own country and sort out their problem there so it doesn't affect us then.
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As I said, the overwhelming majority of immigrants are here for economic reasons.
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I can't get a job because the immagrents are cheaper to employ, cheaper to train, and easy to aquire.
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Millions of your fellow countrymen who have jobs would tend to disagree. I don't deny that they may well be displacing people at the lower end of the employment scale, but if you are educated and trained you should have no problem moving up a few rungs.
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I was in the Job center this morning, and in walked 3 packi guys who could NOT understand a word of english spoken, they got all the ehlp they wanted, a translator, a job each, and benefits all sorted there and then.... where as i have to sit there looking like a tramp compaired to what they will be recieving.
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Not a word of English was spoken, yet you managed to divine that they received jobs AND benefits?! If you can understand Urdu, perhaps you could get a job as a translator!
Teasing aside, however frustrating you may find 'Packis' being allowed to use the Job Centre, benefits are there to provide you a safety net, and arguing over whether someone else got more than you grates a little with me. Worry about sorting yourself out with another job, then you'll definitely be getting more than them, and won't be frustrated about living on our handouts.
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I'm not racist, i just can't stand the vast majority (95%) of people living here who were born in Iraq, Iran, india, ect...
My little brither Lee who is 9 years old is racist, whenever he see's a muslem, he calls out "Nigga please!!" makes me laugh a bit (call me wrong if you care) but i do tell him to shut his pie hole.
I was born and raised in Egham, I'm a born and bread British, and i'll be damned if i'm ever gonna have a boss in a job who is one of the immagrents
Slate me as much as you like.. i don't really give a shit... I'm British, and i'll stay to my roots, not gonna let some packi get in there oh no sir ree.... |
Quite frankly, this is where your post really descends into the muck. Based on the above, you are racist. I have plenty of illegal immigrants locked up who can spell better than an 'educated' British worker like yourself - perhaps another factor you might want to address in your search for work, rather than blaming the 'darkies'?
My girlfriend is a sikh of Indian descent, and her dad is a muslim. She's smarter and better educated than you, manages not to be racist, carries the same Home Office security clearance and warrant card as I do, and knows that 'packi' is actually spelled 'Paki'. ____________________ >Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
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Dan 4RR wrote: | I read a report that claimed imigrants brought 2-3billion increase to the economy every year, but surly there comes problems with this, such as hospitals, more cars on the roads, foreign pupils signing on at schools who can not speak english, teacher can not speak Polish, something has to give and that cost's money. |
It's all very easy to read one side of a politically biased report on a subject, but you also have to look at the benefits they bring.
I have more problem with lorry drivers from foreign countries who use our motorways, leaving them in disrepair, but having to pay naff all for the experience, whereas our own lorry drivers have to stump up road tolls in other countries.
So long as the immigrants are paying the taxes we pay, then surely the costs involved to accommodate them are exactly the same as it would be if more British people started having lots of children.
I bet you our ageing population are more of a burden on tax revenue than immigrants. Collecting Pensions every week, needing more NHS healthcare etc etc.
The fact that the elderly are outnumbering the younger workable generation is worrying as our country economically is looking at a loss of revenue. So if we have more workers paying income tax etc, it should help relieve the burden. ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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Jon B wrote: | I bet you our ageing population are more of a burden on tax revenue than immigrants. Collecting Pensions every week, needing more NHS healthcare etc etc. | In my opinion the ageing population desuvre the treatment they get (medically). These people have been working day in, day out, some for the last 40+ years, paying tax, helping the economy. Doing real work, like building stuff, working on farms, down the pits, in steal works. Not getting paid £40k per year for sitting in front of a monitor bashing a few keys. No doubt most of them will pass away within the next 20 years, surly they are entitled to put their feet and have a rest before they go? ____________________ Humans....the largest form of cancer the world has ever seen!
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Dan 4RR wrote: | In my opinion the ageing population desuvre the treatment they get (medically). These people have been working day in, day out, some for the last 40+ years, paying tax, helping the economy. Doing real work, like building stuff, working on farms, down the pits, in steal works. Not getting paid £40k per year for sitting in front of a monitor bashing a few keys. No doubt most of them will pass away within the next 20 years, surly they are entitled to put their feet and have a rest before they go? |
The only reason people are getting paid 40k to bash a few keys on the keyboard is because that is where they are needed at the moment. It would be stupid to pay a coal miner 40k, cause coal isn't needed as much as let's say IT technicians. I'd say that is as real as any other form of job. Just because it isn't physical doesn't mean it is not needed.
I bet you most of the immigrants will pay tax, and then go home before they are retirement age to their own country. To me that is a double win situation, the country gets more tax and work done, without the burden of having to pay out pensions. ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 17 years, 54 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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