Benefit Reforms

..... · Quote Me Happy Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Karma :

Single parent families will have their benefits cut when their child reaches 12 instead of 16.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6418305.stm

I've just seen some woman on the news moaning that it's unfair and that she has to find a job that fits around school hours blah blah blah

WELL GET OUT AND DO IT! YOU HAVE ALL DAY SAT ON YOUR FAT LAZY ARSE TO FIND SOMETHING

Maybe you should have thought about this before you decided to have a child. I'm sick of paying for people to be sat doing nothing all day. Why don't the government make these people do jobs that they set up - like refuse collection. A large amount of areas have had their collections changed to once a fortnight despite their council tax going up again. Why not use these people who 'claim' they want to work to get out there and do something constructive?

I see people coming out of the job centre next to my office that crack open a beer on their way out. They can spend the day in the sun drinking beer but I can't because I'm in the office nine hours a day? Something is seriously fricking wrong here

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Itchy · Super Spammer Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Karma :

Valid points ,

the thing is why the electorate don't want an abolition of the dole is , that could be me someday,
with falling job security , ruthless bosses , and ruthless outsourcing, people think of it as a safety
net (though compared to Europe its not very good since Germany gives you X% back of your old
salary or used to)

it could be you..... has sold countless lottery tickets , Knox armour and non legally needed insurance
policies.

An example is this

my company is moving and its going to be a 50-60 mile commute each way , many of the older
staff don't want to go, however they don't want to be thrown on the scrap heap , younger job hoppers
like me don't give a damn and will leave, they won't.

I do still think maybe one day that'll be me, I am unfortunately not forever young, and even though I
hope cybertechnology will keep me as active as I am now when I am old , I think technology also
has its pitfalls , ie cybertechnology may improve me , but genetic engineered children are born
smarter harder and faster than you, thus the situation is pretty much the same.

the US system has a sort of half way house in your life you can only EVER EVER take 5 years max
(dependent on state) on welfare, the German system also similar in that you get what you put in
so somebody who was on 25K gets X% of 25K , while in the UK the finish GCSEs immediately
go to the dole office have contributed nothing therefore they get X% of nothing!.

as you say , dole does also devalue the value of leisure time in an economic sense.
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..... · Quote Me Happy Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Karma :

I'm not saying scrap the dole at all - there could be times when any of us here genuinely need it.

What I'm talking about are people who are long term unemployed for no particular reason.

scorps · World Chat Champion Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Karma :

youve gone and set me off now you guys

AND HERES WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

me and my other half worked hard got a house saved pennies paid our bills on time werent ever rich but happy with a decent social life

UNTIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
abridged version coming up

police at door
near fatal accident
6 months hospitalised
so partner lost job
tried for disability benefit
got turned down
tried for incapacity benefit
got turned down
tried for income support
got turned down im over the poverty level
now panicking about managing on 60% reduction in annual salary
tried for job seekers allowance
got turned down not enough stamps between 2004 and 2005
wow maybe thats cos he spent half of that tax year in fucking hospital,

so jobbing for agencys till we scraped the funds for his offshore tickets and hes now moved up to aberdeen to hassle anyone who will employ him for a job on the rigs
im having to sell the house to follow him up

benefits are for those who deserve them??? dont make me fucking laugh

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Mister James · I want to believe! Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Karma :

Perhaps almost as worrying is the language used in the report:

cestrian · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Karma :

I saw the 'statistics' for dolites and sick claimants and what really pisses me off is the amount of people claiming Incapacity benefit. In my opinion, many claimants view Incapacity benefit (IB) as a justified cop-out.

I know a guy that claims IB due to a bad back, yet he plays for a football team in a Sunday league. Also a bloke who calims to be depressed, and has been for nearly ten years. I once heard about a bloke in Manchester who claims disability living allowance for being an alcoholic. He drives around in a taxpayer funded car too. It really pisses me off Evil or Very Mad

Mister James · I want to believe! Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Karma :

Labour won't every do anything about them because the scroungers are a huge part of their natural voting base. Whether the Tories will have the spine to upset a few people and crack the whip remains to be seen.

2.5 million on incapacity benefits is ridiculous, especially when you see the old duffers struggling to park 100 trolleys in Tesco's, or the like. Most of those in IC benefits are actually normal unemployed layabouts, who were shifted onto IC so that Labour could trumpet the falling income support figures.

It makes me sick, especially as there is no end in sight, but plenty of scope for further money coming out of my pocket to pay for it all.
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..... · Quote Me Happy Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Karma :

Strawberry, if you read my post I was talking about the woman on the news, not all single parents. She had a complete attitude problem like the world owed her a living.

strawberry · Scooby Slapper Joined: 30 Aug 2004 Karma :

I did read your post and it read to me as a diatribe against single parents sparked by seeing this woman on the news, hence my comments.
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innominate · Brolly Dolly Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Karma :

Not giving them any money would be a start.

Vouchers for essentials only (or a ration book) , yes it would be degrading but people should be disuaded from taking Benefits as much as possible.

Obvioulsy if you can't live without benefits then you are going to get over the slightly degrading nature of vouchers/rations.
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Mister James · I want to believe! Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Karma :

I've always agreed with vouchers, for all benefits.

Yes, there is a certain stigma attached to it, but there were people who got free meals when I was at school, and no-one gave a toss. They are saying they are unable to cope with what is effectively state charity - fair enough, but they don't then get to dictate how it is provided.
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cestrian · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Karma :

I quite agree with the voucher system. I assume they wouldn't get vouchers for cigarettes and alcohol Very Happy

Although I wouldn't like to see our pensioners, particularly war veterans, receiving vouchers. And they SHOULD be given a 'creature comfort' allowance, in my opinion.

Louise · World Chat Champion Joined: 22 May 2006 Karma :

Just stop giving them money all together.
I have a kiddie, but I work - well around 20 hours per week per week.
I get some tax credits on top of that to help me out.

All the benifit people do make me mad, as someone said 'cracking open a beer' as they soon walk out.
Give them 4-8 weeks money, well enough time to find a job - then stop it all together.
Vouchers are a good thing. Most money gets spend of alcohol/fags Thumbs Down

plugger147 · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Karma :

It's a piss take people get money for doing shit all, tax credits pay for child care fee's so there is no excuse for school holidays stopping somebody getting a job. People just have no self respect and don't want to work. The only downside that i can see is for the poor bloke's who want to support the children they are not living with but are not allowed to see them, then have a huge chunk of their earnings stolen from them to pay for the child who get's to sit around on street corners saying it's not my fault I come from a one parent family.
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plugger147 · World Chat Champion Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Karma :

I kinda agree with toby here, if the benefits were dropped then the people who do bugger all would have to take the low paid jobs then the people who sit on there arses with the gimme gimme attitude would have to do them and we wouldn't need the immigrant influx we have.
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Kal · World Chat Champion Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Karma :

Companies employ the cheapest peopel possible because they want to farm out their product to teh customer for the cheapest price possible.

Why do they do this? Because given a choice people will gernerally buy the cheaper item.

I have been on benefits. I was on benefits for a couple of years after I left school because there was no work in my home city back then and a huge suddenly unemployed and experienced workforce to compete against.

It's why I don't whinge about paying my taxes. (Although whiging about how the Government seems to set fire to the massive amount of money raised in this Country every year is different)

I don't care what your job is, raising children is THE most important job in this country - their ought to be training and better support. Especially for younger parents and single parents.

Is my son suffering because his mother is on her own compared to most nuclear families?

Almost certainly, and despite being a stone cold psycho my Ex is as good a mother as she can be but the truth is she had to go back to work as soon as she could and our boy has been with Child minders almost every day since he was a few weeks old.
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Louise · World Chat Champion Joined: 22 May 2006 Karma :

We have had 3 people from checkoslovakia start at our pub.
I asked why we choose them over other British people - Lower wages!!!
I mean, FFS come on, one of them is BAR STAFF and cant hardly speak a word of english, nor dose she know what the fekk some drinks are.
The otehr two are chefs - Good chefs, but what pisses me off even more about these to is - they speak good enough english, yet proceed to speak in slovakian in front of me - makeing me feel like I dont belong there.
So many jobs are taken by these people.

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