98 R1 vs 05 R1

[woo]

I own a yr 2000 R1 which is the toned down version of the 98 R1 plus all the recall work that was needed on the 98 R1.

After coming back from box hill yesterday my mate let me have a go on his 05 R1

I noticed immediate power delivery difference straight away between the two bikes!

My 00 R1 in first gear will wheelie from you just jerking the throttle back from tick over whereas the 05 R1 will not come up as easy quick.

Another thing i noticed but i dont know what the manufactuers figures are for weight but the 05 R1 felt alot heavier in weight compared to the 00 R1, i thought these days newer bikes were lighter.

In terms of top speed in the first gears the 00 R1 does 80mph in first whereas the 05 R1 does 90mph in first but the 00 R1 felt like it got there quicker, this confused me.

The only mods on the bikes are that the 00 R1 has road legal micron can and the 05 R1 has a twin race akraprovic cans.

Handling the 05 R1 felt better but not by that much.
Im not interested in how they handle on the track cos realistically me and my mates ride on public roads all the time and will probably never see a track so how the bike handles on the public roads is my primary concern.

All in all i was very disappointed with the 05 R1 as i thought it would feel much faster and signifcantly better than my seven year old 00 R1!

I had my heart set on getting an 05 R1 in early May but now ive decided that the grass is definately not greener on the other side and that im gonna stick with my 00 R1 for the next good couple of years!

Another thing is that i have noticed is that the best handling bike i have ever ridden on the public roads are the suzuki bikes such as GSXR 1000 & 600 K series onwards.

The power delivery and handling on the GSXR 1000 k1 alone was mind boggling and i would own that over my 00 R1 any day but wont due to the fact that im 5"4 and my feet are on tip toes.
I would love to own a GSXR 1000 but cos of this tip toes i wont.
The GSXR 1000 K1 would wheelie in third gear off the throttle cant imagine how good the K4, K5 & K7 are?
Whereas the 00 R1 & 05 R1 will not.

The new GSXRs such as K4, K5, K7 dont appeal to me cos i think they look like MV Augustas with bubonic plague looking very ugly!
But handle very well.

Anyone else got any other bikes they have compared back to back?
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[dainesefreak]

I think you weren't trying hard enough.

[Kyzia]

Hmm - interesting. I got slightly different specs here :
https://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/253/4593/

Anyway, older bike has slightly more torque and different gearing, which may account for some of the perceived differences. Plus the newer one is fuel injected...

More generally, I think the site I've linked to is cool
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[JAMSXR]

K4 GSXR 600
05 ZX636R

I have ownd both, and im still not 100% sure wich one i like the best. The kwack is faster but dose not feel it as the fule injection is alot smoother, weeling the GSXR was easier, the kwak is also alot more sure footed in the corners and feels more stable BUT the GSXR had a steering damper wich was great and never got any tank slappers, on the kwak i have had a few when i hit bumps at a very high speed. Overall i think i would still go for the Kwak but their both top bikes.

As far as your R1 goes the older bikes up to 2001 had carbs and not injectors, so the power delivery is manic and its all at once or nothing at all a fair few people preferred the older ones because they were more of a challange to ride and crazy basically.
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[woo]

I was certainly trying hard enough that if any of us got caught we would be doing time & lost our licences!

I know what the figures say i have done my research but the reality in this case was what is was as ive stated!

The result would more conclusive if we had more than one 05 R1 at the time to test the difference.

Im just well vex that the hunger and passion to get an 05 R1 has gone from me.

Hopefully next weekend ill get my other mate who has a full akroprovic system and power commander on his 05 R1 and see what thats like.

What we really need is a magazine which does long term tests on living with a sports bike speed runs between them cos most of the magazines ive have large sections which are nicely detail but are of the bike on track but the average person mostly rides their choosen bike on the public roads not the track.
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[G]

In the 'real world' it may also be down to riding style etc, ie which parts of the rev range you use, etc.

The new GSXR1000s are smaller, definitely worth a look, especially if the stories about the peak power output are true!

[Rookie]

Why is it that both R1s have a 38mpg average fuel economy, an 18 litre tank, yet the 05 R1 has a range of 130 miles compared to the 00s 150?

They are astonishingly similar though. Yes the 05 has an extra 25bhp, but really, who uses 175bhp, ever?

[Kyzia]

[woo]

I would love to own a GSXR 1000 K5 for the power and handling and the fact i can get my feet on ground nicely, only problem is i think it looks fucking ugly as if its got bubonic plague with steriods!

The funds are there for it and i have considered the new fireblade but im not really a honda guy and although i think the fireblade looks nice its just not me, i like aggressive raw power.

With the ZXR10 i think that bike is ugly too this time looking like the elephant man, but ive heard that the ZXR10 is a beast of bike and am thinking of booking a test ride on one.

Im not bored of my 00 R1 i love it too bits but just testing to see if the grass is greener on the otherside but ive experienced from my mates 05 R1 its not, but that might be because it might just be his one and maybe needs the fueling set u properly as he has race cans on but no power commander or dyno time to set up fueling properly.
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Elen sila lummen omentielvo!

[JAMSXR]

Keep your R1 for a few more years, save your cash until you see something you really really want. Like a 1098
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[dainesefreak]

Do you really think you can use any liter sports bike to anywhere nears it's limit? You've already said it's for road use. Buy the one you like the look of, all the rest is irrelevant. Where journo's talk about "character", etc, it's all well and good for selling mags but otherwise it's meaningless unless you intend to ride everywhere at 9/10's of your ability. I've owned two of the recent jap 1000's and there really isn't that much in it, not on the road for a normal ability rider, it doesn't matter how much some bike mag gets excited. If you fancy an 05 R1 buy one, it's a nice looking bike and it's no worse than what you've got. It's a development in many ways but don't expect some dramatic evolution.

I bought mine after three Blades and I bought it because I fancied a change. Performance wise it's not much different but it looks nice.

[lilredmachine]

It felt quicker to top in first, because the gearing was shorter. you said yourself, the 00' was 80 and the '05 was 90.

The other thing is, look at the (dodgy) stats again. The newer R1 has gained 25 hp, but lost torque over the old one and I bet the delivery is peakier too.
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[DynaMight]

As far as I'm aware the latter R1's are limited in the first few gears, so the power maybe limited to around 100BHP.
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[dainesefreak]

I don't think there's any limiting in the lower gears unlike the GSXR's, that could be bypassed for a couple of quid anyway. The bike just makes its power differently. In the search for horsepower the rev limit has been raised so the bike starts making its power higher up the rev range and tops out higher. There's nothing peaky about it, once it starts making power there's just smooth drive and everything turns into a blur.

The only difference between the R1 and my Blade is the decat, both had PCIII's, but the way the power is made is completely different. The Blade could be quite lary in the winter because it put down grunt right from the wist of the throttle, it would easily spin up the rear on dodgy winter roads. The R1 by comparison is easier to control in that situation because it makes it's power later but when it comes on song it feels like it's got a stronger mid range than the Blade ever did. Both are extremely fast and capable bikes they just have different engine characteristics. Unless you're an ex GP star I wouldn't worry about any of the liter sports being down on power or feeling peaky.