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PostPosted: 13:16 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Iran has kidnapped 15 british navy personnel Reply with quote

Just heard the breaking news.

Have no idea why they didn't fight back.

This could be the excuse for an attack on Iran.

The Iranian government has recently changed and is more hard line.

Hope the lads are okay.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last time Iran did this they paraded the troops on tv (which they're not supposed to do) and later during the night took them blindfolded to a ditch and loaded up their AK47's, making the troops believe they were about to be executed. They were safely returned.

Hope they get back safe (through diplomatic terms preferably)

Thinking of them and their loved ones.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sudden attack on our navy couldn't possibly be in relation to this by any chance......

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IRAN is threatening to retaliate in Europe for what it claims is a daring undercover operation by western intelligence services to kidnap senior officers in its Revolutionary Guard.

According to Iranian sources, several officers have been abducted in the past three months and the United States has drawn up a list of other targets to be seized with the aim of destabilising Tehran’s military command.


https://intelligence-summit.blogspot.com/2007/03/iran-to-hit-back-at-us-kidnaps.html
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Re: Iran has kidnapped 15 british navy personnel Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
Just heard the breaking news.

Have no idea why they didn't fight back.

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They would have been in RIBs (little inflatable boats with outboard engines), while Commodore Lambert refers to the Iranian ships as being 'Patrol Boats' - i.e. armed coast patrol vessels.

That being the case, it would be lunacy to engage small warships with small arms - our lads would have been slaughtered.

Due to current tensions, the rules of engagement are probably fairly softly-softly anyway.

Time to park all available units (which isn't that many thanks to Gordon Brown) off the Iranian coast, and start handing out some military-grade threats.

HMS Cornwall itself is a significant unit, and could've swatted any patrol boats like flies.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Re: Iran has kidnapped 15 british navy personnel Reply with quote

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Time to park all available units


Won't be long until all available units are a handful of coast guard cutters purchased second hand of a third world friggin country. Yay Labour Rolling Eyes [/quote]


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PostPosted: 17:56 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw crap.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 23 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reckon bush is happy as a dog with 2 dicks, bet he's on the phone right now with the old "cummon tony lets get in there and get your guys back, I'll go in with ya".
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is, Britain wasn't itching for a war, the US was.

However if our troops are not returned, we are going to be involved in another war. Hopefully there will be no ground war and it will just be an air war. I could see Iranian military targets including nuclear sites being hit, I don't envisage a ground invasion.

However I don't see our air force having the strength to do this by ourselves, so perhaps the Americans will help, if not the Israelis.
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PostPosted: 01:27 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you completely thats why the yanks would be so happy they have been itching to go in but don't want to go alone this situation is going to give them what they need if it's not resolved quickly, somebody to take the blame, us.

And where would the Israelis get their backing from???
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PostPosted: 03:26 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably another opportunity for them to call my Dad back up for war.
The cheeky fuckers send him a one way train ticket, A Kit List, and directions how to get to the Camp every time a "war" breaks out. Thumbs Down

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PostPosted: 12:44 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
Probably another opportunity for them to call my Dad back up for war.
The cheeky fuckers send him a one way train ticket, A Kit List, and directions how to get to the Camp every time a "war" breaks out. Thumbs Down

Bring back Maggy! Thumbs Up

Is he in the Army/TA by any chance? Confused
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Time to park all available units (which isn't that many thanks to Gordon Brown) off the Iranian coast, and start handing out some military-grade threats.

HMS Cornwall itself is a significant unit, and could've swatted any patrol boats like flies.


Could you fill me on the Gordon Brown bit, I’m not sure what you mean. Well im guessing cut backs, but just want to know a little more. Thumbs Up

kawakid wrote:
This could be the excuse for an attack on Iran.


24/7 carpet bombing by the Americans, cruise missiles to nuclear capable areas.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
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That bitch should have been put down the second she was born.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

pwntifex wrote:

Is he in the Army/TA by any chance? Confused



Was in the Royal engineers. Left 6 years ago but they still try calling him up every time theres War alerts. hes managed to get out of it the past 4 times though. 3 of the times The police appealed for him as he was on training courses with the Police and they said they need him here in the UK.
The other time was just luck, he returned the form and just said he didn't want to go, and they didn't get back to us.

He was in the Gulf, Bosnian, Ireland and Falklands wars. Enough is enough now, I think once hes been out 10 years they will stop calling him up.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Killa: the navy has had many ships decomissioned and the entire fleet has been basically scaled down to a ridiculous low amount due to Labour.

An interesting fact is that a few month back army numbers dropped below 100 000 ish, which meant in the eyes of Nato the UK no longer had what would be considered an army but a defensive force.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 24 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:

Could you fill me on the Gordon Brown bit, I’m not sure what you mean. Well im guessing cut backs, but just want to know a little more. Thumbs Up


The Royal Navy - while having the best personnel in the world - is crippled by an appalling lack of ships and resources to run them; all because of Gordon Brown and his penny-pinching.

HMS Cornwall is actually one of 6 capable vessels earmarked for early semi-retirement to save on running costs. Pound for pound, the 22-Stretched hulls are some of the most effective all round surface combatants in the world - but will no doubt soon be sold off to some tin-pot South American power for peanuts, while at the same time the Chinese are building a blue-water fleet, and the Russians are re-arming.

For example, in 1997 the RN had 35 escorts (frigates/destroyers - the workhorses of the fleet) while in today's far more dangerous climate it has only 25 - several of which are on permanent low-readiness routines. If you accept the general rule of thumb that at any one time 1/3rd of a military force is training for deployment, 1/3rd is on R'n'R post-ops, and 1/3rd is actually in the field, then we have only 8-9 ships available for independent deployment covering the entire globe. What invariably happens is that the MoD then tries to deploy ships that are not ready for active operations, or have yet to recover from the last; resulting in tired crews, knackered ships and staff retention rates plummeting.

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PostPosted: 02:34 - 25 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say we should bring back the days when britain had the capabilities to defeat the 2nd and 3rd largest sea forces in the world, if both attacked together.


Was along time ago, but the british navy was the backbone of the british empire. Thats how it should still be today, and im pretty sure none of this terrorism would be around if we ruled the oceans either.
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PostPosted: 03:01 - 25 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
I say we should bring back the days when britain had the capabilities to defeat the 2nd and 3rd largest sea forces in the world, if both attacked together.


Was along time ago, but the british navy was the backbone of the british empire. Thats how it should still be today, and im pretty sure none of this terrorism would be around if we ruled the oceans either.

We don't have an empire any more.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 25 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dale_Mckeown wrote:
I say we should bring back the days when britain had the capabilities to defeat the 2nd and 3rd largest sea forces in the world, if both attacked together.


Was along time ago, but the british navy was the backbone of the british empire. Thats how it should still be today, and im pretty sure none of this terrorism would be around if we ruled the oceans either.


Nice idea Dale. I appreciate your thoughts as do others' I'm sure. However, times really have changed. Our enemies are much closer to home now and warships may not play a major part in our defenses in the future.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 25 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as we have interests overseas (ie. as long as we have an industrialised society) we will need warships to defend our nation.

Don't worry though, Blair has finally taken action! (Drum roll please!)

He's sent the Iranians a stiffly-worded message! We've as good as won the war already!

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"We have certainly sent the message back to them very clearly indeed. They should not be under any doubt at all about how seriously we regard this act, which is unjustified and wrong."


They aren't, we've done nothing to pile on diplomatic pressure at all. Beckett phoning them hardly counts as regarding anything seriously.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 25 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
which is unjustified and wrong."


what?? its an act of war. NUKEM!!!!
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 25 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should make sure our borders are tighter than a budgies chuffer. No one in unless we want them in and bugger the rest of the world. let them all kill each other, over populate and starve, shag monkey's and die or pray to someone and kill someone who doesn't pray the way they do.
When are we going to learn that we are a small island who can't help each and every country who decides that they want to fight each other. as for refugees, yes we should help some of them, not all of them and if I was in fear of my life in my own country I would put up with poor accommodation crap food and boredom if it meant I was alive.If they don't like it go somewhere else that they do like. Now immigration should be for the benefit of this country only. if someone in this country can do the same job then the immigrant doesn't get in. And the lazy slackers in this country who can reproduce but not work, tough, work or nothing on the table.
We should look after this country first and foremost. stop the mob rule, make the streets safe for all. When we have done all that, then go and help others.

That said I think the men and women in the forces are doing a good job and we should be proud of them.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 29 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree with that Skudd.

Just heard on Sky news that the Iranians intend to release the female sailor, (although she will probably prefer to 'stick it out' with her oppo's).

Should we admit to making a mistake to get our sailors back?
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 29 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell no, Iran will succomb under pressure.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 29 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if they were actually in Iranian waters?

I also wonder why surface craft in the local area weren't being tracked? Why weren't they aware hostiles were approaching?

Everything seems to have been rather deflected to 'nasty iran'.

Skudd wrote:
We should make sure our borders are tighter than a budgies chuffer. No one in unless we want them in and bugger the rest of the world.

Well, we're already doing the "bugger the rest of the world", which I believe is part of the problem.
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