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PostPosted: 07:12 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: The Slave Trade Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6494207.stm
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/breakfast/6186758.stm

What on earth is going on?
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presumably 200's a nice round number so the media decided to stick their oar in and see what they could turn up.

Not that I'm really complaining as publicly humiliating the church is always a bit of a giggle.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slave trade - current affairs? Smile
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm actually quite interested in this as a topic as it was something we very much skimmed over in school.
As a result I tried to watch the documentary on Nanny Maroon last night, but found Ms Dynamite so excruciatingly annoying I went and washed my bike in the dark instead... Confused
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A trailer for the BBC's Inside Out had a family in Barbados saying because of the connections with the slave trade Harewood House near Leeds was theirs. Story here/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/leeds/content/images/2006/06/16/harewood_house_lead_203x152.jpg

Someties I think people should just take history as something we can learn from, not raked over Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how slavery is any more shocking or unpleasant than many other historical acts. I certainly don't see why the only group of people clamouring for recognition and reparations are of African descent - as if no other race had ever been enslaved, or no other race but The White Man had done the enslaving.

If we went back and 'put right' every wrong ever done to anyone, we'd never finish.

I'd think that Black pressure groups would be more concerned about the spiraling rise in the numbers of young black lads killing each other, rather than wasting time re-imagining a historical unpleasantness that was not as clear cut as they like to think.

As for Black groups complaining about the fact we concentrate on British heroes of abolition - what the frak do they expect from the British?! If you want to hear about Jamaican heroes, fly to Jamaica and watch their documentaries.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This annoys me quite a bit.
First, the "White races" didn't as a rule do any enslaving, slaves were generally captured in violent raids by other black tribes, often with cooperation from powerful Arab traders. Slaves were then transported by foot to the coast and sold, again all generally by black / arab traders, NOT as a rule white people.
Our (British) role in the affair is pretty limited to transport of the slaves to the colonies where they were put to work. I'm sure there were some British plantation owners who bought and used slaves, but this wasn't something you can point to as being an inherently British thing.
So, as I see it, because we transported the slaves they believe we owe them compensation, the captors and traders and end users had nothing to do with it of course. I don't see how it differs from someone trying to sue the courier company when they have a dispute with an online store they've purchased goods from.
let them get compensation from the Arabs, go ask in say Saudi Arabia and see how far it gets them! The only reason they're demanding compensation from the British is because they've got some chance of getting a payout and no chance of being slotted for their pains, no risk and some potential gain.
They also tend to forget that it was the British that put a stop to the slave trade . . . .
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

well if there was no slave trade there would be no amazing basketball players, rap music all shit like that

not saying it was good but it has brought quite a lot to modern lives
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 26 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, in that case, perhaps we should apologise!
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PostPosted: 00:41 - 27 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:

Someties I think people should just take history as something we can learn from, not raked over Rolling Eyes


that, i feel is the perfect summary of this sort of topic.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 27 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapid teen wrote:
well if there was no slave trade there would be no amazing basketball players, rap music all shit like that

Not saying it was good but it has brought quite a lot to modern lives


An apology for the slave trade, that’s ridiculous.
Is it for the benefit of the survivors? Laughing


Lol, White men can’t jump.

Was it a good film?
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annabella wrote:
I'm actually quite interested in this as a topic as it was something we very much skimmed over in school.
As a result I tried to watch the documentary on Nanny Maroon last night, but found Ms Dynamite so excruciatingly annoying I went and washed my bike in the dark instead... Confused


I found it irritating too, whats next? 65th anniversary of the Holocaust with BORIS BECKER.

Lowest common denominator crap. Why do they assume that we will only be interested if some nobody star presents it?
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Huambo81a wrote:
Why do they assume that we will only be interested if some nobody star presents it?


Exactly, I would have much rather a historian with an excellent background knowledge presented the programme and actually opened it up for discussion a little more. As it was Ms Dynamite asked the most inane questions "What do you think of Nanny Maroon?" being an example.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annabella wrote:


Exactly, I would have much rather a historian with an excellent background knowledge presented the programme and actually opened it up for discussion a little more.

I'm sorry, I was busy that day. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing that even Miss Dynamite-heeee has a little more background knowledge than someone whose self-avowed knowledge of multicultural affairs is 6 months living in Coventry!

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PostPosted: 13:36 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:

I'm sorry, I was busy that day. Laughing


To be honest, I would like one who knows the difference between where the slaves were transported to and why too many died en-route Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 28 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheeky. Razz

We don't even do History that far back anyway. Confused
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 29 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want the Italians to apologies for all the hurt and distress they have given me. They introduced the rabbit and the bath, or should I get compensasion from the Arabs for letting their rats get on our ships and causing the black plague, or the Swedes for invading us and giving us odd street names, or the french for................. well for being french................. or the Greeks for giving us dimocrasy. History is learnt from. Yes there is some modern history that is still in living memory that should be dealt with like the comfort women in Japan who were put in brothels from prison camps and raped by the army. Or the slave trade still going on in india, africa and the like.these need dealing with not some do gooders in Liverpool who think it is trendy to be sinfull for others. The slave trade was awful and wrong, but who has thanked England for bring brave enough to stop it when England was thriving because of it. It would be like telling all football players that the would only be on £150 a week and itwas performance related pay. And football supporters could only read, watch or have anything to do with football at the pitch. And that is only a sport not such a masive trade like the slave trade.
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