Obesity.

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[Dom]

[craigie b]

Another myth that irks me, is this notion that living in poverty means you need to buy gash food. I personally can get a weeks shopping in, with lots of fresh fruit and veg (good quality fruit and veg) and decent meat for about £25 a week plus luxury goods like some good filtered coffee.

Put it another way, how on earth did people manage to have a decent diet when we had rationing imposed? Or even after it was lifted? The problem is ignorance/laziness rather than money IMO.

[JonB]

I agree with you there Craigie, at the moment I am feeding two people on only £30 a week.

Our main meals consist of: -
Spaghetti Bolognese
Vegetable stir fry
chicken sweet and sour
chilli con carne
sausages and BBQ sauce with mash.

That isn't a whole week, but an idea of what we have most weeks, for little money, that isn't buying the "Tesco Value" style products either. I think the little time that people give to cooking these days is scary, if they can't cook it in the microwave in less than 10 minutes then it is not worth having. Thing is obese people junk on so much sugary and fat foods, that they quickly feel hungry again leading to snacking.

I also fully agree with you on the notion that obese people aren't victims but willing participants.
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[craigie b]

The problem is people no longer know how to live with their body. The body is designed (depending on who you believe) to run, jump skip and hunt. We're hunter gathers, we're suppossed to be outside being active.

Unfortunately people find the slightest notion of physical effort to be abhorrent, instead choosing to moan and be victimised by their own in action. It shocks me that people can't/won't cook and resort to eating shit. ITs yor fucking body, its what carries you through life. You wouldn't build a house with shit materials or repair your brand new R1 with dodgy substandard parts, yet when it comes to the very thing people are reliant on every day of their life they will fill it up with shite.

Diet and food is one of the most important things in life. It supercedes the desires for wealth, reproduction, everything barring water and air since its the very thing that keeps you alive yet people treat it as if its something that is a 'hassle'. It shows how twisted modern life has made us.

[Annabella]

The issue is more around lifestyle than food.

Most people spend all day at work, sitting in front of a computer terminal or wired into a telephone. They get the minimum lunch break - just enough time to scoff down sufficient food, which needs to be easily digested to get it down quick enough, to keep them going the rest of the day.

If we spent longer over our food and appreciated it a little more like the French do, we would be less obese as a nation. They take their time over lunch breaks and eat little and often, savouring the flavour of the food and enjoying it rather than just eating for necessity.

If we want to make the nation thinner we need longer lunch breaks where there is time to go and exercise and eat slowly.


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[Dom]

[Annabella]

It's not just our work culture, but also the general unpleasentness of public leisure facilities.

I enjoy going running after work, but during the winter it's too dark to go running on my own safely, so this year I used the public leisure centre pool on my way home from work. Most evenings it is ok, but often it is overly busy, dirty and costs £4 for a swim and the use of a locker. There's no pleasure in it and I can wholly understand why most people would much rather go straight home, wang a ready meal in the microwave and gorge on the delights of a salt and sugar rich fat-bath.

Once it becomes uncomfortable and difficult to exercise it's even harder to break the cycle.


It's also not just people who are too lazy to exercise and too stupid to eat properly. We mustn't forget people who really do have genuine problems, whether they be psychological or physical. These are the people that need the support of the NHS to help them become more healthy and I would never want to see that support to be taken away from them. However, your average 'fatty' just hasn't felt the benefits of exercising or eating well.
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[craigie b]

Actually, from looking at the article then tax may be the solution. The aussies have had to purchase a fleet of super sized ambuances to get tubbies into hosptal...WTF. I doubt it would do much to stop peple from hooning pizza's but the money needs to come from somewhere and I doubt many health care budgets have made allowances for the purchase of a super size fleet, extra fuel consumtion, whale like stretchers, or the extra man power to provide aid.....

[JonB]

Exactly my point. Maybe I mis-worded the whole thread, but I am talking stupidly morbidly obese people here, not people with a bit of extra baggage.
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[Annabella]

It isn't just Australia that is having to 'super-size' it's medical equipment.

Where I work spent £8000 on a treatment chair for larger people two months ago. The thing is HUGE!

Edit: Just looked for a link to the article and it appears to have dropped off the archives.
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[craigie b]

You see stories like that just leech away my sympathy

[craigie b]

You see stories like that just leech away my sympathy On a side note, I doubt there are many obese africans who blame their obesity on psychological issues. My mum works with people with metal disabiliies and some of them would be borderline morbid. I can appreciate they don;t have the mental capacity to know eating to much is bad for them, but I imagine 99% of obese people are not suffering from mental issues that directly corelate to their weight, especially not children. I'll go down in flames for this, but I'd say its due to greed and having a nice label to attach to yourself helps eliviate the pain and brings comfort, because its not your own fault.

Another point, withrepsects to your point Annabella, regarding lifestyle is this, I agree that modern lifestyle/work doesn't help but you seem to cope fine with whats available and make it work for you. Thats what people need to learn. Be pro-active about their situation and work around the things that prevent them, much like you do. Otherwise, in my eyes, your just creating self induced victimisation again.

And another ting is when people say, I dont have the time...yet they'll sit glued to the box for 4-5 hours a night. Seems like plenty of time to me

[Mister James]

When I was in hospital in October before last, I was uncomfortable in almost every bed/trolley/rack I was put in.

At the time I was a fit 6'1 and 15.5 stone. The paramedics had concerns that the immobilising stretcher wasn't long enough, my shoulders and legs hung off the edges of the A&E trolley beds, the ward beds were only just long enough to lie in comfortably, etc.

To say that obesity is the only reason for issues with medical equipment is a little harsh.

Someone who is so large they have to have their walls demolished to leave the house should have had medical intervention a long time ago.
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[craigie b]

[Mister James]

So far, we've seen only proof that the Aussies are....

I'm all in favour of making fatties shape up, but I get genuinely narked when the same people bleating in other threads about government interference start talking about taxing/banning/regulating the lives of others.

If you like, I'm playing something of a Devil's Advocate role here - but I think that's perfectly valid.
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[Dom]

In case I wasn't making it obvious enough I'd only be for the tax thing in the event that a massive percentage of the people in hospitals were there as a result of being overweight. If 50% of people in hospitals today were there as a result of falling off their bikes I'd be quite happy to accept that bikers would deserve to be paying a bigger chunk of the NHS bill.

Not sure if you're referring to me as someone who 'bleats' about govmt interference but I am not one to suggest any and all input / action from the government is negative, I'm not an anarchist or anything. I just think that if you have a situation where for instance 40% of people were responsible for 90% of the NHS' bills then it would be fair / ideal if they were paying a larger chunk than the remaining 60% who are responsible for just 10%.

Oversimplifying with made up numbers, sure, but that's the point I'm trying to make.
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[Mister James]

My post was meant to imply that there was no wide-spread issues with 99 stone porkers, but looking back at it now, it didn't make that clear - my apologies Little Miss!
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