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 Posted: 17:39 - 31 Mar 2007  Post subject: Licence Types - help! |
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I'm sorry if this has been posted elsewhere, I searched for it but all the threads that came up were confusing!
I'm 25 but want to complete my restricted test on a 125. The one that matures into a full licence in two years.
Can someone please tell me what licence that is? On the DSA test booking website there are three to choose from:
A - Big Bike
A1- Light Bike
A2 - Standard Bike
I find the whole thing confusing and just want to get my test booked! 
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At 25 why not just do DAS and get a big bike or have it restricted if you are concerned over the power.
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The restricted test is put down on the licence as A2.
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I know you dont want to hear this, but a 500cc bike is so much easier to ride and man handle. They are planted and stable at slow speed and comfy at higher NSL speeds.
I would urge you to at least have a go on a big bike before you commit to the A2.
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4.5 litres I think, done 500 miles on 2 top ups 
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I have to agree, I know you say your mind is made up but I've got to chuck my tuppence in. I thought a 500cc would be a handful but what most people don't realise is a heavier bike has a lower centre of gravity and balance is less of an issue. A 125cc feels wobbly whatever you're doing on it and a 500cc feels planted. But whatever you do I wish you the best and hope you pass 
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| karen_moomin wrote: |
It's easy for anyone to say a bigger bike is easy, but if you read my thread you might understand why I don't want to ride a bigger bike just yet. This isn't a snap decision, it's taken me three years to get this far. I must have a slower learning pace than most when it comes to bikes, but I can deal with that! Why can't anyone else?! |
I know what you mean, its important that you feel confident and happy with your choice of bike. When I passed my test, I rushed out and bought a 600 Fazer, it felt like it was 'too much' for me at that time and I was losing confidence.... the last thing I needed when just passing my test. Other riders urged me to persevere with it, but I just didnt feel comfortable with it.
So I sold the Fazer and got an ER5 and immediately felt more at ease. After 8 months on the ER5, I now feel ready to take the step up to something a bit bigger and would be able to cope with the fazer now.
I might get slated for this, but I think, some women (me included), analyse their riding a little too much, and everything has to feel 'just right'. Where as the majority of blokes, just seem to get on with it, and dont seem to have to same fears as us, or maybe they just dont let it show.
Anyway, back to the test....... you know how you feel, so do it your way.
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| karen_moomin wrote: | | Whosthedaddy wrote: | commit to the A2. |
Commit? That's exactly why I'm doing it...because it matures into a full licence, hence it's not a commitment! I'm hoping to build up my confidence over a period of two years. I'm in no rush to have a bigger bike, nor do I need to have a bigger bike. I'm not doing my bike test because I have to, I'm doing it for fun, and I want to feel confident and happy.
It's easy for anyone to say a bigger bike is easy, but if you read my thread you might understand why I don't want to ride a bigger bike just yet. This isn't a snap decision, it's taken me three years to get this far. I must have a slower learning pace than most when it comes to bikes, but I can deal with that! Why can't anyone else?! |
Hi Karen,
It's pretty normal to want to gain experience first. Speed and power freaks will opt for the biggest and fastest bike in the quickest way possible. If you ask police riders what they think if you were going to do that, they'd give you a big lecture first on safety.
A lot of deaths are caused because the biker lost control of the machine he was ontop of. It's common sense not to jump up to the highest thing possible.
Let's take the bodies ability to respond to a substance. Take a mass dose of something toxic, and the body can't cope by pushing it out of the system. Dehydration WILL occur during high toxic levels. Same for radiation exposure.
Gradual exposure to radiation has its problem and conditions that are caused by it, but mass exposure results in death very quickly.
Jumping on a bike so fast without previous exposure will result in greater chance of loss of control. At that stage, it's all over, without the training and experience to regain control again. While not the same as radiation, the idea behind POWER LEVELS is exactly the same.
I personally think it's a good idea what you want to do. So many deaths happen on bends not all to do with other traffic, but the rider losing control.
It worries me to think a 21 year old can jump up a huge level with a limited amount of hours training, especially when he/she talks about speed.
While there's an argument of significant bad habit forming while learning/gaining experience on "smaller" bikes, there is also a problem of developing the SUPERMAN habit on bigger bikes without the lack of experience.
Those who can handle a 600+, should remember that they didn't just handle it in a day. I honestly wouldn't take much advice from someone who could ride a big bike and had only been doing it for a year, over someone who had been riding 125's for many many years.
All experience is gained over time, and a bigger bike doesn't mean bigger experience, it just means more danger for a lower experience. |
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| Posted: 22:50 - 31 Mar 2007 Post subject: |
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Absolutely agree as well
I am 36 and the licence I went for was an A2 - restricted to 33bhp. Like you, I only ride for the fun and am not interested in hooning away on a big bike (after my restriction period, I will probably go for a CB500). The big bike is quite a different experience. I did spend some hours on a 500cc during my training for my test and I think it helped my confidence a lot when going back to the 125 for the test - control was much improved. You do tend to flick a 500cc a bit more aggressively if you are used to a 125cc - gave my instructor the heeby jeebies 
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| Posted: 23:05 - 31 Mar 2007 Post subject: |
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It's easy for anyone to say a bigger bike is easy, but if you read my thread you might understand
why I don't want to ride a bigger bike just yet. This isn't a snap decision, it's taken me three years to get this
far. I must have a slower learning pace than most when it comes to bikes, but I can deal with that! Why can't
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make of this what you will....
but because it offers more choice? ,
Nothing and nobody is stopping you from after passing your test to sticking to a smaller bike, which you imply
that you want, except the harmless BCF jibes , hell many riders take the piss outta my bike sticks n stones!.
Getting your A does NOT mean you have to ride the biggest and best it just opens more doors,
hell just look at Colinwall , he rides a scooter in additon to his main ride.
I was piss poor and stuck with a 125 for a bit after passing mine. I'm hankering after a little 400 after riding
all sorts of rats. Gaz a local mechanic with 25 years experence , rides a 50 cc gilera DNA, Stinkwheel had
a small capacity Jawa or MZ for a bit and got stuck at 500cc for years. Were we coerced into riding them?
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I don't want to ride a bigger bike just yet.
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Nobody says you have to go buy the next 1000cc beast , but if you grow as a rider you are faced with a long
wait or a £200 restriction each time you buy something bigger, if you want something bigger it is YOUR choice
and is in YOUR hands , not the government's system, sure you can take out the restrictors and ride illegally
but why do that when an identical test on a different machine opens this door for you?.
Suck it and see, pass your test of the perenial GS500E, want a smaller bike get a smaller bike, want a bigger
bike get bigger bike, nothing legally stops you (other than the usual money/insurance).
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| Itchy wrote: | make of this what you will....
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| Quote: | Nothing and nobody is stopping you from after passing your test to sticking to a smaller bike.......hell many riders take the piss outta my bike sticks n stones! |
If they take the piddle out of your bike then what the hell do people say behind my back 
I'm now 28 and passed my DAS in 2005.
Prior to my CBT, I had never been on a bike before and struggled to harness the grunt and power of the CG when trying to handle it round corners. I think a lot of this is that I tend to think and have a conscious so its always 'what if?'.
I passed my car test when I was 18 so I have the road experience and awareness of traffic, so its was just to master the bike.
I'm sure that you can handle the bike Karen. As a learner, you are not in a position to criticise your riding or your ability, only a competent trainer can do that, so dont be hard on yourself.
If you have a bike now, then theres no reason not to ride at your pace and get used to the feel of it.
Some days I ride like a complete Rodney and shake my head after most occassions, others I'm king of the road and everythings so easy. It is easy to become disillusioned, but done be, and please listen as its sometimes easy to be blindsided by your own ideas.
| Quote: | Getting your A does NOT mean you have to ride the biggest and best it just opens more doors, hell just look at Colinwall , he rides a scooter in additon to his main ride. |
I did my 4 day DAS as I could see the benefit in 'wasting' time with riding a bike on L plates only to have to sell it after I passed to get a bigger bike. Of course you can stay with the 125 after, nothing is forcing you to buy a bigger bike as stated before.
I did go and buy a big powerful sports bike for my 1st ride and loved it to bits, if it hadn't have blown up I would still be on it now.
I went from no experience to a 750, crashed my 600 and now ride a 107cc beast. Its my choice what bike I ride, not my licences choice. I do want a 1000cc+ bike next but I will have to take my time to adjust to the size and weight, power and torque. But there is no rush, any bike is easy as long as you are confident and assertive.
| Quote: | Suck it and see, pass your test of the perenial GS500E, want a smaller bike get a smaller bike, want a bigger
bike get bigger bike, nothing legally stops you (other than the usual money/insurance). |
This makes sense, its the variery and ease of choice that appeals.
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| Posted: 16:36 - 01 Apr 2007 Post subject: |
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Jesus H Christ, do you people not understand that she doesn't want to do her DAS?.
She understands that she would be able to stick with her 125 even after passing DAS, but she doesn't feel comfortable enough to ride the 500's yet. What is so wrong with that?
Whilst in many respects I agree with what you are saying with regard to the bigger bikes being easier to ride, that is only true of you have the confidence to ride them and to handle them. If that confidence isn't there then the bike will not be easy to ride, and will knock the confidence even further.
At the end of the day her decision is made, and in a little over 2 years her license will be unrestricted. It's only 2 years - not 20. While some people may not have the patience for that, to other people it is no time at all. 
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A2 test is booked!!!!
I can't believe I've finally booked it. The date is a secret, because it's a family trait to keep these things secret
Just need to get out there and practice as much as possible. Going to work on the bike for the first time ever tomorrow. One of my fears is going out for rides alone, so I will have to overcome this quite quickly! |
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