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PostPosted: 11:26 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Airoh helmets- are they any good Reply with quote

I've seen a couple of these and they they look good but are cheap, just wondered if anyone has any experience with them and are they ok.
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PostPosted: 11:34 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They comply to all known safety standards, they are fine although, like jeans some have the name Armani on them some dont but if you slide down the road on your arse in denim the danage to your buttocks is the same no matter what lable is on them.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My dad has two which I have borrowed both at some point.

He has an open face one, which despite being a bit bulky I think, is virtually silent, I could hear no wind noise and I the engine was very quiet. Would be good for long rides if the visor didn't cause the wind to go up into my eyes.

He also has a motocross style one, which looks like this

https://www.dirtbikebook.com/acatalog/airohS4helmet.jpg

Which is also very comfy, not as quiet, but the visor holds in place no matter how fast I went, the visor stayed in place.

Both are very good and have lasted about a year so far, so yeh I like them Smile
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

1930 Ariel wrote:
They comply to all known safety standards, they are fine although, like jeans some have the name Armani on them some dont but if you slide down the road on your arse in denim the danage to your buttocks is the same no matter what lable is on them.


Are you saying that an Airoh is as safe as an Arai RX7 Corsair?

Note that meeting the minimum standards and one being safer than another are 2 different things.

IMO buy the best helmet you can afford, the one thing you don't want to be taking chances with is your head. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend had an Airoh, he caught it in a garage door and it compressed into an egg shape, still used it though.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
1930 Ariel wrote:
They comply to all known safety standards, they are fine although, like jeans some have the name Armani on them some dont but if you slide down the road on your arse in denim the danage to your buttocks is the same no matter what lable is on them.


Are you saying that an Airoh is as safe as an Arai RX& Corsair?

Note that meeting the minimum standards and one being safer than another are 2 different things.

IMO buy the best helmet you can afford, the one thing you don't want to be taking chances with is your head. Wink


in some cases, a cheaper helmet could be Safer than an Arai.

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/motorcycle_helmet_review/

and just do a search on here for my name and 'helmet' or 'snell' for more info on why a more expensive helmet and stricter test might actually be less safe.

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PostPosted: 16:00 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been well documented and we know the Shoei amougst others use different helmets here to the rest of the world. Wink

The snell test also makes helmets heavier, which is bad in a crash, there's also the theory that if you manage to crash in such a way to break an EEC spec lid then the rest of your body is fit for the bin anyway.

I'll be sticking with my TiTech for peace of mind if nothing else.

Just out of curiousity feef, what lid do you use?
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Just out of curiousity feef, what lid do you use?


HJC FG14 and AC11

I find they fit me best, and at £100 a time ( last years colours in the sale), can afford to replace them reasonably often.

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PostPosted: 16:20 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've looked at these lids and personally wouldnt stick my head in them unless I was only doing up to 40 mph.... actually fuck that - hit a brick wall at 35 mph and I want to be wearing a kevlar composite lid (all my lids except the Shark (which is a spare larger sizr for pillions with big heads) are either all kevlar or integrated kevlar composite)

So far I've tried Shoei, Shark, AGV, Craft, Schuberth, HJC and find them all very good (all £150+ except the shark)
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlosfandango wrote:
I've looked at these lids and personally wouldnt stick my head in them unless I was only doing up to 40 mph.... actually fuck that - hit a brick wall at 35 mph and I want to be wearing a kevlar composite lid


Hit a brick wall, and you want a softer, more deforming helmet.. not a hard, crispy one. In that context a hard kevlar outer will be less shock absorbing, and more damaging than something like a more flexible ABS shell.

Don't swallow the marketing BS and do some reading on the science of helmets.

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PostPosted: 17:25 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hit your head on a brick wall at 35mph and you want to hope for a nice funeral service.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:


Don't swallow the marketing BS and do some reading on the science of helmets.

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got any relevant links?
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. Think I'll keep shopping around for now.

If only life was simple and I could just pick one cos I like the colour Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppa pig wrote:
Thanks for the replies. Think I'll keep shopping around for now.

If only life was simple and I could just pick one cos I like the colour Laughing


It is that simple..... Rolling Eyes

Well so long as the colour you want is a good fit. Smile
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlosfandango wrote:
got any relevant links?


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PostPosted: 22:38 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlosfandango wrote:
feef wrote:


Don't swallow the marketing BS and do some reading on the science of helmets.

a


got any relevant links?


Apart from the one in my post above?? Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 22:48 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an Airoh PR200 when I had my scooty which was a flip up jobby. I thought it was alright at the time but realised when I bought a Shoei that the Airoh was very heavy and very noisy. Did the job, though, fulfilled a legal requirement.
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Harold_Shand's theory might be the best explanation.
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've got a tr1. its ok does its job. yet to test it to its full but if i keep following a friend of mine it wont be a long wait! my thoughts on having an intacked head on a mashed body is like having a head on a stick. no fun
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PostPosted: 01:42 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
carlosfandango wrote:


got any relevant links?


Apart from the one in my post above?? Rolling Eyes



Wow, thanks for the 'OLD' news that I read over a year ago. Do you have any other evidence other than one page on a US website?

I ought to tell Shoei they wasted their money investigating and designing the Xspirit, HJC the Carbon Lordship etc etc etc because Feef bloke read a web page.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You said above that a cheaper helmet is safer than an Arai in some crashes feef, but what about in the other crashes? There is also no way to tell what kind of crash you're going to have.

It's a lottery no matter what type of helmet you buy. Crashing is a dangerous business so I choose to buy what in my opinion gives the greatest amount of protection. If you think that Arai have been getting away with charging 5 times the price for their helmets all because of marketing then I seriously doubt it.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlosfandango wrote:
I ought to tell Shoei they wasted their money investigating and designing the Xspirit, HJC the Carbon Lordship etc etc etc because Feef bloke read a web page.


If you'd like I can scan my old essays and lecture notes from my engineering degree where I covered much of this info, and which matches the information on that webpage I likned to. I was being taught dynamics and 'Flight and Space Flight' by a professor who designed the helmet for the Eurofighter project. I have done a fair bit of my own research as an undergrad before I dropped out to work in IT.

I'll also have a dig around and find the stats to show that passing a more stringent test more than pays for itself in terms of marketing, because people buy a 'SNELL' (for example) helmet over non SNELL because of the perception of safety, not of Actual knowledge of what the test involves. they are not 'wasting their money' but are they doing it to improve safety, or because the public WANT SNELL helmets?

I don't have other links to hand, as many of the papers I referred to in my own work are no longer available online at their original URLs, and I really cannot be arsed to look for them all again.

That US website is probably the most comprehensive and easily understood interpretation of the testing involved and in terms of conveying that information to a non-technical public, I believe it's still valid even at a year old. My head hasn't changed it's composition in a year, and I don't recall the laws of physics changing much in that time either, so old it may be, but it's still valid.

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PostPosted: 17:41 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks feef for a more in depth response to my initial theory that carbon composites are worth wearing.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
Hit a brick wall, and you want a softer, more deforming helmet.. not a hard, crispy one. In that context a hard kevlar outer will be less shock absorbing, and more damaging than something like a more flexible ABS shell.


The reason why Arai still use Fibreglass, and not a "Newer" fancy composite material (Kevlar, Carbon etc) for the outer construction of their lids. Of course they call it "Super Complex Laminate", but it actually tells you it's Fibreglass.

This makes for interesting reading (in a funny, sort of, engineering way).

https://www.araihelmet-europe.com/php/araitecs/AraiTecsIII.pdf
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