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carlmalibu
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: with a bike like this... Reply with quote

is it worth upgrading it?
got a 98 cb500, all standard. The paint is peeling off the end can, exposing surface rust, downpipes are rusted too (not too badly though). Patches of rust beginning to develop on the back shocks too.

Is it worth buying a full system for it? remus or motad...and getting some hagon back shocks.

Also, I think one of the main problems is it has a really square bridgestone back tyre. Front is a BT45, back is a bridgestone G602 or something? Never heard of it before.

Also, you can get K&N air filters.

By worth I mean performance, ability to throw it round corners better (its very mushy atm) and whether I'd see any reflection in resale due to mods as above.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best thing you can do is replace the rear tire so

a) It isn't squared off
and b) Matching tread with the front (so get another BT45 perhaps)

You should be able to adjust the preload on the rear shocks which would alter the handling. It depends really, but it would definitely be best to sort the tire out first then go from there.

I don't know about the resale price with shocks, but I know for the most part a stock bike will sell better than one with mods. Exceptions being things like the XJ600 where the stock exhaust disintegrates.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Repaint the can & downpipes with BBQ paint. Thumbs Up

Then mooch about the 'net for CB500 cup info - those guys will know everything there is to know about making a 5 handle better.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

how much will a BT45 cost? also, I have a C spanner in toolkit, how do I use it to adjust preload and what am I looking for setting wise? (I take pillions quite a bit)
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

A BT45 depending on the size should cost around £60.

Not sure for definite about the preload settings on a CB500, but for example on my bike I have 5 progressive settings. It goes from soft > hard. If you have twin shocks make sure they are both set to the same setting. (edit - Usually its just a case of clipping into both sides and turning it in the direction you want to adjust it, it should have almost like waves of metal around the edge which get gradually higher)

As I said though, before you mess with anything else... its best adjusting something like this when you know all other contributing factors won't matter. Check your tyre pressures/sort the squared tyre and you will be good to go.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said, get a new BT45 for the rear, and use the Bridgestone recommended pressures of 36 psi front, 40 rear instead of the Honda manual's 29 front, 33 rear.

Have a look around the forum on the CB500 Owners Club for more info.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mods you mentioned are among the most common made to the CB500, so should not affect the resale value.

I'd deffinatly recommend getting stainless downpipes.

Performance wise you won't notice much of a differance with the exahust or the air filter, it'll just sound better.

mattgirv is correct regarding the rear suspension settings, 5 progressive settings. Depending on your weight solo and 2 up it makes quite a difference. I usually turn it up one setting when taking a pillion out. Take it out for a ride and take your c-spanner with you then you can make an adjustment and try it out (best to use the same bit of road everytime)

Rear BT45 should be about £60-75 depending on where you go.

Might be an idea to check you swingarm bearings if its mushy round corners.

What pressures are you running in the tyres?
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

with bearings what do I check for? how do I do it?

I dont know what pressure the back tyre should be because its a bizarre one, not a BT45.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bridgestone site has a page where you can enter the bike and tyre details, and it will show you what pressure you need. It seems to be down at the mo though Sad

https://www.bridgestone.co.uk/
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh thats rather odd. The Dunlop one seems to be down too Very Happy

Anyway while they are down, I'd imagine having your pressure start off at about 30psi and take it easy. If it feels really unresponsive and you aren't getting much road feedback/etc, knock it up a couple of psi till it feels reasonable.

Now it isn't perfect and I'd recommend manufacturers advice on the pressure but it will do for now.

Just as long as you don't go getting your knee down :p
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 09 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlmalibu wrote:
with bearings what do I check for? how do I do it?

I dont know what pressure the back tyre should be because its a bizarre one, not a BT45.


You are checking for excessive movement in the swingarm.

To check for play in the swingarm bearings get the bike onto the centre stand, get a mate to hold the front end down so the rear tyre is off the ground and try moving the swingarm, side to side (there should be a miniscule amount of movement, any more or any clunking and the bearings need replacing). If you are unsure, I'm sure a local bike shop would have a look for you.

Parts are about £25 (two bearings) and thats from a Honda dealer. Don't know about labour as I did my own.

On the tyre pressure try ringing you local tyre place, they may be able to advise on the correct pressure for the tyre.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, I adjusted preload by one notch (its now at 3) and it's made a world of difference. I figured theres no point spending £200-£300 on a full system because it will make no difference to anything but sound, and won't sell on at that price.

Still umming and arring about taking off the dodgy aftermarket fairing and flogging it on ebay, and replacing it with a screen - would that make long distances managable?

also, any advice on wheelying a 33bhp cb or should I just give up? me and a friend (with a restricted r6) were having a go on an industrial estate, and i managed to get the wheel off the ground a couple of times but nothing worth saying anything about.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bridgestone's site is back up, here's the G602, although it doesn't mention pressures. The only ones listed for the CB500 are the BT45s.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 10 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: with a bike like this... Reply with quote

carlmalibu wrote:

Also, I think one of the main problems is it has a really square bridgestone back tyre. Front is a BT45, back is a bridgestone G602 or something? Never heard of it before.


G602 is the OEM Exedra as fitted to the 95-97 Bandit 600.

I would fit a G548 to the rear instead of a BT45.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 11 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlmalibu wrote:
Still umming and arring about taking off the dodgy aftermarket fairing and flogging it on ebay, and replacing it with a screen - would that make long distances managable?

also, any advice on wheelying a 33bhp cb or should I just give up? me and a friend (with a restricted r6) were having a go on an industrial estate, and i managed to get the wheel off the ground a couple of times but nothing worth saying anything about.


Lets have a look at the aftermarket faring - can you take a picture and post it?

I did some distance work on Dukans CB over the winter including a trip to Newcastle and back. Dukans CB dosn't have a fairing or screen so by the time I got home I could feel it in my upper arms and in my neck but to be honest it's no big deal really I just adjusted.

The BT-45's fitted to it were surefooted on everything except concrete and gave me loads of confidence, this is despite the rear being down almost to the wear marker by the time I handed the bike back.

As for wheelying, do yourself a favour and don't. It's a big heavy bike and everytime it crashes down you are doing some damage to the headstock bearings. If you want to stunt around get yourself a cheap field bike you can afford to mess up rather than damage your transport.
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