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 Posted: 11:32 - 23 Mar 2007  Post subject: new £100 million mosque in london - yes we're paying |
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Don't know if you have heard about this but Ken Livingstone is planning to use tax payer's money to build an enormous mosque costing an estimated 100M in the docklands. What do you think about it? Wouldn't it be better to spend the money on a new hospital or improved transport facilities?? BIGGER THAN ST PAULS!!! The plan is for the mosque to be so big that people flying in from all over the world for the 2012 Olympics will it see it as the biggest landmark in London , bigger than St Pauls, Westminster Abbey or Wembley Stadium
Take a second to cast your vote in The Evening Standard on-line poll to determine public opinion about whether a mega mosque should be built for the Olympics.
The vote so far is 62 % in favour. It looks like the Muslim
community is casting its vote in droves, and as usual the Christians
are burying their heads in the sand....
After voting, forward this to as many people as
you can. Here's the link:
https://www.thisislondon.co.uk/poll/poll-18791-details/ques-18669-id/%C2%A3100m+mosque%3A+Vote+now/poll.do |
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| Posted: 12:57 - 23 Mar 2007 Post subject: |
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Thats odd , a private building build with government money,
anyway I suspect if it is built with gov money it will contain lots of spyiny devices in them , which means some people maybe caught with it,
thing is the second the users cotton on it will become useless , theres a spy cam in the lobby and mics all around this building people now talk outside about personal things.
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Actually scratch that, i'm probably OK with 100% of Muslims, but these extremists cannot possibly be classed as Muslims, they are deranged people, using Islam as a mask for their actions. They are people with huge chip on it's shoulder because America and Britain are greater than them.
Out of interest do you ever interact with people from other faiths or do you live in a nice cottage in the country where you can bicker about other people, without any first hand experience, I know loads of people like that coming from a rural area in Somerset.
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| Jon B wrote: | Actually scratch that, i'm probably OK with 100% of Muslims,
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Are you okay with the various Muslim lobby groups who pop up on TV every week demanding extra protection under law than the common citizen?
Are you okay with the large swathes of the Muslim population who think it's okay to treat women as inferior beings for 'cultural' reasons?
Are you okay with the hundreds of Muslims who go for strolls in London carrying posters wishing unpleasant things upon our fair nation?
Are you okay with Muslim communities setting up Sharia courts to rival the British justice apparatus?
You don't have to live surrounded by people from Islamic states (as many of us do) to be affected by the above. You seem to have an incredibly parochial, narrow minded set of views - I thought students were supposed to care about things, not shrug their shoulders and say "Hey, I'm alright Jack!".
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but these extremists cannot possibly be classed as Muslims, they are deranged people, using Islam as a mask for their actions.
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They say they are Muslims. They went to mosques and lived in the Muslim communty. The Muslim world cheers whenever 'martyrs' strike against western interests - look no further than the cheering Arab Streets after 9/11.
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Out of interest do you ever interact with people from other faiths or do you live in a nice cottage in the country where you can bicker about other people, without any first hand experience, |
By your own admission, you have little experience yourself, yet feel qualified to judge others.
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| Posted: 16:55 - 23 Mar 2007 Post subject: |
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| Mister James wrote: | Are you okay with the various Muslim lobby groups who pop up on TV every week demanding extra protection under law than the common citizen? |
Of course i'm not, nobody deserves the upper hand just because of their religion or beliefs, however if they are being targetted because of other people who just happen to share their views, then surely if you were in another country and were being attacked along with many other English people, surely you'd want to be under a little protection
| Mister James wrote: | Are you okay with the large swathes of the Muslim population who think it's okay to treat women as inferior beings for 'cultural' reasons? |
I can think of plenty of white Caucasian men who believe the women should be stuck in the kitchen and do all the housework, yes they are about 120 years behind us right now, doesn't mean they won't change though, give them the chance to modernise, which they will. I know plenty of Muslim students who just today happened to be doing a presentation on women in the household, saying that it doesn't help that women believe that it is their place to do the work, it comes down to tradition.
| Mister James wrote: | Are you okay with the hundreds of Muslims who go for strolls in London carrying posters wishing unpleasant things upon our fair nation? |
No i'm not, however I will not tarnish 1.5 million people with the same brush, just like not all bikers are anti-social loud lunatics.
| Mister James wrote: | Are you okay with Muslim communities setting up Sharia courts to rival the British justice apparatus? |
Well that's a non brainer, once again of course I am not, however does not mean that the people themselves are bad.
| Mister James wrote: | You don't have to live surrounded by people from Islamic states (as many of us do) to be affected by the above. You seem to have an incredibly parochial, narrow minded set of views - I thought students were supposed to care about things, not shrug their shoulders and say "Hey, I'm alright Jack!". |
I do care about things, which is why i'm willing to be a minority of white people who don't believe all Muslims are out to kill us. I think it is the people who watch the BBC and take everything as gospel as narrow minded, instead of being stuck in with the media, I am able to leave my flat and actually engage with these people and not have politically bias news reports spawning my views.
| Mister James wrote: | They say they are Muslims. They went to mosques and lived in the Muslim communty. The Muslim world cheers whenever 'martyrs' strike against western interests - look no further than the cheering Arab Streets after 9/11. |
Don't you feel an incy bit sorry for the majority of Muslims who don't believe the same as those deranged and unremorseful killers? We have plenty of Christians who will rebel against the state to get their own views again, not being reflective of the majority. Once again people are just tarnishing people with the same brush and that is narrow minded.
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| Mister James wrote: | By your own admission, you have little experience yourself, yet feel qualified to judge others. |
Yet I have been living in the centre of Coventry for other 6 months now and since living in Somerset, where by my own admission my views were slightly racist/misinformed/prejudice, my mind has been opened up to the effect that I am now not defending Muslims, yet willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, an attitude that British people have quickly discarded of late.
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| Posted: 17:33 - 23 Mar 2007 Post subject: |
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Ok, I'm overworked today and I have a headache (nowt to do with you MrJames  ) so I'm thinking I'm not reading/understanding things correctly.
JonB, not too long ago you said "i'm probably OK with 100% of Muslims".
Shortly afterwards you stated that you are not OK with "Muslim communities setting up Sharia courts to rival the British justice apparatus" and also " the various Muslim lobby groups who pop up on TV every week demanding extra protection under law than the common citizen" and finally "the hundreds of Muslims who go for strolls in London carrying posters wishing unpleasant things upon our fair nation".
Lets add this lot up.......DANG  !!! thats alot of muslims your not OK with Jon.
We all know that for every muslim who wishes to strap a device to himself and kill lots of people, there are a group of others goading him on, and a line of others 'waiting in the wings', and a whole community of others thanking him. I'm thinking pyramids here.
It is my opinion that although there are few muslims who are prepared to protest and fight for extra rights. There are many many more who would not (and do not) complain if/when they get those extra rights. They don't need to be vocal to be a supporter.
It saddens me that we are having this discussion. I wish they were all like my good neighbour Jacob from India. |
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Posted: 18:25 - 23 Mar 2007  Post subject: |
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| Jon B wrote: |
Of course i'm not, nobody deserves the upper hand just because of their religion or beliefs, however if they are being targetted because of other people who just happen to share their views, then surely if you were in another country and were being attacked along with many other English people, surely you'd want to be under a little protection
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Extra protection, above and beyond that afforded to other faiths? I think not.
| Quote: | yes they are about 120 years behind us right now, doesn't mean they won't change though, give them the chance to modernise, which they will.
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Excellent, so we agree that cultures based on Islamic tradition tend to be a little.....well....retarded - in the true meaning of the word?
If you are saying they are 120 years behind us (I love how this topic seems to invite random figures pulled out of thin air) then perhaps we should wait 120 years before allowing them to join our society by moving here?
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I know plenty of Muslim students who just today happened to be doing a presentation on women in the household, saying that it doesn't help that women believe that it is their place to do the work, it comes down to tradition.
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Well, you've described a chicken/egg situation there. Why do women feel it is their place to be treated like shit? Nothing to do with the male-dominated households and culture they were brought up in then?
I've met enough 'normal' Muslims through work and home life to note that a far higher proportion of them have zero respect for women than one expects from other disparate cultures.
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| Mister James wrote: | Are you okay with Muslim communities setting up Sharia courts to rival the British justice apparatus? |
Well that's a non brainer, once again of course I am not, however does not mean that the people themselves are bad.
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Perhaps not - but it does mean that they wish to ignore or change aspects of our society to suit themselves. I do not find this desirable.
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I do care about things, which is why i'm willing to be a minority of white people who don't believe all Muslims are out to kill us. I think it is the people who watch the BBC and take everything as gospel as narrow minded, instead of being stuck in with the media, I am able to leave my flat and actually engage with these people and not have politically bias news reports spawning my views.
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Why is it that almost everyone on the other side of the conversation from me seems to imply that:
 I think all Muslims are suicide bombers - despite me having never stated/implied/hinted at it? (nice stereotyping boys)
I only get my news from the BBC, and that I am so stupid I believe all Government brainwashing and propaganda, while they are so super-dooper smart that they can cut right through the BS and find The Truth?
I don't engage with a wide range of Muslims from a wider range of countries in a day than most people will in a year?
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Don't you feel an incy bit sorry for the majority of Muslims who don't believe the same as those deranged and unremorseful killers?
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Don't you feel an incy bit worried that - even if we accept that the majority of Muslims do not support terrorism against the West - there are millions who do?
Don't you feel an incy bit sorry for me, because people like you keep accusing me of saying things that I haven't, and ignore what I have actually said?
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We have plenty of Christians who will rebel against the state to get their own views again, not being reflective of the majority.
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Describe for me the current threat level to the UK and its interests, caused by people committing terrorist acts BECAUSE OF their Christian beliefs.
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Once again people are just tarnishing people with the same brush and that is narrow minded.
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At the risk of being boring, I'll say again, at no time have I stated that I believed all Muslims were terrorists/killers/evil. I haven't even stated that terrorism was my biggest concern.
| Quote: | my mind has been opened up to the effect that I am now not defending Muslims, yet willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, an attitude that British people have quickly discarded of late. |
Whoah Mr Accuse-everyone-of-stereotyping, didn't you just say it was narrow-minded to generalise about a people or culture!? I guess it's ok to (inaccurately) stereotype Britons based on your 6 months experience of multi-culturalism?
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Wait till it's built then bomb it, just like they bomb our bus's and shopping centers.
Worth all the money in the world when over 50% of the uk muslim population will be there on the grand opening, only to get smoked. This providing housing for all the homless UK people who have suffered due to the muslims.
I'd gladly contribute 5 whole years of my wages in my new job just to have 50% of this countries muuslims and islamics dissapear in a second! 
I may offend people here, but i don't really care anymore. people know how i feel about this, and i will stand by my opinion till the day i die on a bus! |
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| tribal_tiger wrote: | From what I heard it's not tax payers money, most of the cash is coming from the middle east to pay for it.
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If we could clear this up first, that would help.
If the money comes from elsewhere, doesn’t bother me too much, if we’re all paying for it, I’m not amused.
I don’t mind tax’s being spent on education and health, teaching all races in our schools is a good thing, healing the sick, another.
Mosques from what I’ve seen only teach about Islam, and we all know what we think about that, it’s not education.
Jon, you talk shit….plain and simple, random figures, generalisations.
Here’s one for you…..from my experience, I don’t class students as real people, until you’ve proven your worth, your just a lazy fuc* who wants to extend his education and ego, and I’m paying for you in some way.
I know plenty of students who were doing respectable studies at Uni, with good prospects, and they fuck** up.
| Mister James wrote: | Don't you feel an incy bit worried that - even if we accept that the majority of Muslims do not support terrorism against the West - there are millions who do? |
I have to pick you up on this one James, I repeated this statement time after time when debating with you and you wouldn’t accept it.
Jon, the millions James just mentioned who do what us smelly pig eating westerners to die, really do matter, they are not in my eyes a minority, they breed hate and they have a backing.
| Jon B wrote: | Actually scratch that, I’m probably OK with 100% of Muslims, but these extremists cannot possibly be classed as Muslims, they are deranged people, using Islam as a mask for their actions. They are people with huge chip on it's shoulder because America and Britain are greater than them. |
Right, yeah, you’ve defiantly summed it all up there… 
I’m assuming the Muslims you have met are in education. I wouldn’t class them as ‘proper Muslims’ sorry to phrase it like that but Islam is taken seriously by these deranged people you speak of, and although it does not say in the Koran kill westerners……it’s not far off. These are not nutters, some of them will quite happily live in Britain with a hatred for how you live like you do, and never bother you in the slightest. It doesn’t take a lot to tip the balance, and as the saying goes, one thing leads to another.
| Jon B wrote: | I can think of plenty of white Caucasian men who believe the women should be stuck in the kitchen and do all the housework. |
Jon, you’ll never actually make a difference to this country, you’ll never change much, you’ll exist and die and in that time because of your worth, you won’t be involved with any changes in the way Britain tackles this new culture, and new rights. Whilst that is good news for people like me, you are left with a couple of options. either you carry on until something may or may not happen to yourself personally when it comes to Islam in Britain, or you could stop pretending it’s all roses.
Yeah the media is altered in someway, but FFS, do you really think you’re on the right track comparing load bikers to religious nut jobs when speaking of what to care about.
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