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skida
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Watch Out For That Bus! Reply with quote

Following on from the Biker's Worst Enemy Thread I thought I should warn you about the chances of a bus pulling out on you.

I drive a bus for a living and I have a constant fear that I will cause an accident with a bike because of the number of blind spots I have to check each time I come to a junction or a roundabout. The view ahead is great and the rearview mirrors give a wide angle view, but at 45 degrees from the front there are a number of obstacles which make it very difficult.

Here are two photos to illustrate the point:

Left view

https://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/skidatemp@btinternet.com/detail?.dir=/255fre2&.dnm=777dre2.jpg&.src=ph

Right view

https://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/skidatemp@btinternet.com/detail?.dir=/255fre2&.dnm=9538re2.jpg&.src=ph

So next time you see a bus at a junction make sure you have eye contact with the driver, or be prepared to take rapid action.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have it easy compared to an artic, believe me. Wink

You have to be a complete noobie to go anywhere near a bus, coach or artic when approaching a junction/roundabout.

I have seen a scooter totalled, from the rear or the bus swinging out due to the overhang from the back wheels. It was the scooters fault for filtering so damn close, the driver couldn't see him and he was in his correct lane for turning.
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skida
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
I have seen a scooter totalled, from the rear or the bus swinging out due to the overhang from the back wheels. It was the scooters fault for filtering so damn close, the driver couldn't see him and he was in his correct lane for turning.


An essential part of a bus drivers training is to check the over hang before turning, but you shouldn't filter past a turning bus either.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i keep my distance from buses Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: Watch Out For That Bus! Reply with quote

skida wrote:
make sure you have eye contact with the driver, or be prepared to take rapid action.


Eye contact does not by any means prove that any driver of any other vehicle has registered your presence on the road.

Bus drivers seem to have some right unknown the the rest of road users, whereby orange flashing lights on the side of your vehicle means you can move into any lane at any speed, without waiting for anyone else to give way.
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sound advice.
And it never ceases to amaze me at the number of car drivers who pull up next to a artic or bus at a roundabout and then proceed to go round at the same time...... Then start beeping the horn when the trailer is heading for them.......
I really do think that ALL tests should include a drive in/information on how large vehicles need far more room on corners etc.

On the point of bus drivers indicating then pulling over, if they can't see it, it ain't there...... They have a lot more protection and as such always be prepared for them to move. If you are reading the road ahead then you should have spotted that they may well do this.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bendy buses (18m long) in London need to move into the far right hand lane to make it into some tight t-junctions. Then cut back across to get into the left turning. Seen sooo many near misses that way.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

can't see the problem, if my chosen path is clear and a bus seems to be sat there when around town sometimes I take a shot at it, but my observation and reflexes aren't too bad at all, an arctic type wagon, I give way for(not getting mangled in that) and buses when I know I can't make it. but I know my limits when filtering.(i think)
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Bus drivers seem to have some right unknown the the rest of road users, whereby orange flashing lights on the side of your vehicle means you can move into any lane at any speed, without waiting for anyone else to give way."

Maybe because the Highway Code tells you to give them priority ?

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skida
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Re: Watch Out For That Bus! Reply with quote

m99dws wrote:
Bus drivers seem to have some right unknown the the rest of road users, whereby orange flashing lights on the side of your vehicle means you can move into any lane at any speed, without waiting for anyone else to give way.


There is also a large blind spot behind a bus because there is no internal rear-view mirror except for seeing if passengers are making their way towards the front. Remember that if you can't see my external rear-views, I can't see you.

I always check my mirrors and blind spots before indicating and making a maneuver, yet often have to brake suddenly because a car or bike decides to do an overtake even though I have indicated and started moving.

The point of this thread, though, was to show how easy it would be to have a bus pull out in front of you.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mooncatt wrote:
i keep my distance from buses Thumbs Up


A sensible course of action. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I Hate buses.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll always give busses and lorries a wide berth. I tend to work on the basis of 'If i cant see the driver then he cant see me.'' One thing I have seen some drivers do is open the doors to give a better view at busy junctions - although I cant imagine that would be much fun in winter
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 21 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwaker6r wrote:
"Bus drivers seem to have some right unknown the the rest of road users, whereby orange flashing lights on the side of your vehicle means you can move into any lane at any speed, without waiting for anyone else to give way."

Maybe because the Highway Code tells you to give them priority ?

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Highway Code states
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198: Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops.


It's not a question of giving priority, it's them taking their bus and pulling into moving traffic without giving said traffic enough opportunity to slow. Also note the emphasis on the word 'safely'. If you can't move/slow etc then don't the bus will have to wait. (although they never do).

I'm a firm believer that if bus drivers adopted a less aggressive attitude, then others will to them. If I saw a bus waiting patiently to pull out, I'd let them. If they try to force their way out, I'll make it as difficult as possible.

It's as bad as people who come off slip roads on motorways etc and think everyone should move for them - slip roads are a give-way situation for adjoining traffic.
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PostPosted: 02:33 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please watch out for not only the bus, but also the cars around the bus. If you find a bus near you, there's many dangers around you.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldnt another wing mirror on each side, positioned to cover the blind spot be a better solution, than just hoping for the best
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with what m99 says. The Highway code says you have to give way, but bus drivers don't even wait for you to stop, they just pull out on you. That's not you giving way, that's them forcing other drivers out of the way.

I nearly got sideswiped by a driver who didn't check his mirrors, didn't even indicate, just pulled out into oncoming traffic from a bus stop as I was filtering past. A couple of other cars all had to do emergency stops and there was little me stuck in the middle of it all. Not fun.

When I used to work on the skip wagons we had CCTV cameras watching the blindspots. I just wish all large vehicles were forced to do the same.
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's cruel, but the best thing I've seen was a bus and a cyclist coming together (No-one was hurt) basically the bus was coming through the traffic lights turning right, his light was on green, safe to go etc etc - Enter Mr numpty cyclist who believes that the red light on his lane is for other vehicles, so he flies down the road and bounces off the side of said bus - Then tries to blame the bus driver!

Many people then laugh at Mr Numpty and back the bus driver.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 22 Apr 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

In London certainly, if bus drivers don't force their way out they'd still be sitting there half an hour later.
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