Diet Pills

truslack · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Karma :

This isn't about me, but a female friend from school.

Today she announced to me:

"i wanna buy some slimming tablets, i reckon if i take a metabolism speeding one and an appetite suppresant i can get skinny."

Well that set me off on one trying to tell her they were really bad for her. She's 16, quite large chested and has a bmi of 24, but still insists that she needs to lose wait, we had a bit of a conversation about it, mainly me telling her it was dangerous and she replied with "ive done more dangerous things whilst dieting trust me" which i know she has, and while she was doing them, her life was c*ap.

It ended with "if i can eat nothing but apple on cereal bars for months then ill be fine on this"

Anyone got advice as to what i should say? We ain't goin out or anything but i really worry for her because i know her too well.
Is this normal and OK for a 16 year old girl?

Many thanks,
Mark
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madcat2k1 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Karma :

Unfortunately this is quite common nowadays. I can honestly say that it's a recent social and culture development in most developed nations.

Girls are influenced by magazines, models, celebrities, television, movies, fashion and hundreds of other things. Because girls are mostly affected by "girl" things and idol certain celebrities, they're taught to be very superficial during teenage years. To quote Adam Frank Jr.

"Superficial people for a superficial world".

Your friend needs to understand how the bodies metabolism works and the safe ways to adjust it. Eating an apple a day and taking diet pills will NOT work. On a nutrient scale, an apple contains mostly Vitamin C and fibre.

You will find that those who have an unhealthy weight will generally try to find methods to change that, but sometimes when someone is so concerned about their self-image, distortions or irrational thinking takes place, and a perfectly healthy weight girl can want to lose weight. In the view of an idol, skinny models are a big influence in this, sadly. The idea behind weight loss is not to pop down pills, but to understand the human body. Once a person knows how the body works, they can then safety lose weight by changing some simple things. This includes the time it takes to eat, the time between meals, the type of meals, vitamins/mineral intake.

Staying away from sugar (yes white sugar) is a positive move, but one of the biggest mistakes people make when going on a diet is eating low fat/low sugar foods. Sadly those people don't understand that aspartame is used (should be banned) in England and USA, which is linked to weight gain.

The fact remains that the old saying of eat a balanced diet is in fact, true, when it comes to weight gain/loss. Unfortunately your friend would never listen to this, as she's (I hate to say this) quite uneducated on dieting. People should not try to diet if they are not educated enough on the subject. Not being mean, just being honest. That is why most people end up gaining back the lbs, because they have no idea how to maintain their weight.

All in all, your friend is basically acting quite "normal" by todays standards. You need to get some sense into her because she is going to regret trying to lose weight in the method she is thinking about.

PS. By the way, Mark, you should ask a simple question and get back on what she said. Ask her "Can I ask how much you weigh?" if you haven't already. If her weight/height/body fat amount is within acceptable range, say "Your weight is fine!!", and see what she says. Explain to her she's "average" and that there is no need to be skinny. If she gets all funny/agitated at you, then she needs to see a doctor, because at 16 this could spiral into numeral eating disorders if not discussed properly. She will need to be refered by doctor to someone who is educated and experienced in diet loss. There are safe ways, and there are unsafe ways. Those who use the natural body to lose weight and alternating food/times/diet, have the highest and safest results. I used to work in such a job once, so I generally know what is safe and what isn't. Good luck, mate!

Oh and regarding body mass index, a better way to find out if she is over/under weight is to find out how body fat percentage. Girls always have more than men, don't forget that.

If she loses weight too fast, her cycles will also change. I don't think I need to go into much detail on how devestating this could be for a young girl and later on experience difficulties with getting pregnant. Dieting is not a game :/
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pwntifex · World Chat Champion Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Karma :

Just leave her.
She wants attention and she is playing you like a fiddle for it.
She'll soon get over it.
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truslack · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Karma :

EllioTT_GiXXeR · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Karma :

Get her one of these then she can't eat

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colin1 · Captain Safety Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Karma :

id say diet pills are more risky than apples and cereal bars

can also lead to slightly odd behaviour

my boss has diet pills in his desk, and he is a bit hyper, with slightly odd behaviour at times

i believe that eating little and often is good, with a bit of protein with each meal to make you feel full.

so 6 fist sized meals a day, is better than one big one or 3 medium sized ones/
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Nicky-Jano · Could Be A Chat Bot Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Karma :

She is probably fishing for compliments. If not then as Mad said it's extremely common these days for girls to want to be uber skinny. I went through a phase of wanting to be skinny aswell Confused

Lasted all of 2 months but was enough time for me to get to be the thinnest I've ever been. I hated it. Was obbsessed with food, didn't eat so was constantly hungry and the slimmer I got the more insecure I was...
Have now put on weight and am a curvy size 10/12, fat if I compare my self to women these days.. Rolling Eyes

but I'm confident and secure in myself and that's all that matters.

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lozzypop1 · Certified MILF! Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Karma :

Her body won't even have settled down to the shape it's meant to be yet...

An attractive woman is one who is comfortable in her own skin, No matter what size, shape, height, colour, etc she is...

Ask her...
Which of these women is more attractive?

https://data1.blog.de/blog/a/annikabryn/img/dawn_french.jpg

Or...
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truslack · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Karma :

Another question, I am underweight, I am willing to go out jogging with her but could this mess up my body? I'm thinking if eating loads of protein rich foods and doing the "navy seals" workout program this summer.

So yeah, could going out jogging when im underweight screw with my body?
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hellkat · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

When she goes through the bulimia phase, remember to stand well back after she's eaten, else she'll chunder over you.

I'm not being ironic or harsh here (despite how it sounds).

I've got a mate who, having been quite porky until a couple of months ago, had finally got her act together and cut back on chocolate and stuff ... and she was trimming down quite nicely.

She admitted that she had gone off her diet over Easter and had been literally gorging on her kids' easter eggs.

I gave it the old "surely not!" sort of thing, but she had noticeably put on the weight she had recently lost.

Last week I bought a box of Vanilla Custard Slices to work, of which there were four. I ate one, and she had one, and then before she had even finished the first one, she was reaching for a second one.

Given that I can be a greedy piglet when it comes to sweet things myself, even I was a bit taken aback as she shovelled the second Custard Slice in her gob ... but then all of a sudden she retched right in front of me, and had to "spit" out the rest of what she had stuffed in her mouth into the rubbish bin.

Nearly heaved, myself Sick

It's definitely a mental problem Rolling Eyes

As somebody further up pointed out, a 16 year old girl hasn't even finished growing into what body shape she has yet, and shouldn't be taking any sort of diet pills.
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hellkat · Super Spammer Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

Some other nutter I was working with, a couple of years ago, came to me and asked me if I had any speed.

(do I LOOK as though I do speed? I think not!)

So anyway, I said "No" ... and then she went on to tell me how if she couldn't lose weight with speed, she had seen some (moronic) article which claims that there are tablets you can take, which have dormant worms in them, and when you take them, the worms hatch out in your belly and stay there, and "help you lose lots of weight".

Sick

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madcat2k1 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Karma :

LOL..Tape worms? Or....that's just pushing it too far!
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truslack · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Karma :

Thanks for all the advice guys (and gals) it is greatly appreciated.

As for me, I have a BMI of 17 (waist 29 inches) but a year or 2 ago I was extremely "Chubby" with a waist of 34 (age 13/14) then I ditched all the junk food and now im quite happy with my body, though i need to build up my upper body strength.

I am sure I will eventually manage to persuade my friend that these pills are gonna be really bad for her, and that excercise and a healthy diet is the best way forward.

Cheers
Mark
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truslack · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Apr 2007 Karma :

I don't know about you, but personally i dont class 5'9" as tall!

Mark
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madcat2k1 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Karma :

No but the onset of a lot of common health problems are less likely compared to those who are average/bigger, not to mention some cancers and the dreaded heart disease.

If you're talking about sudden pneumothorax, then I'd have to say that it's a little known truth that the pros outweigh the cons with being "underweight" by a small "percentage".

Let's put it this way, it is fact that being underweight is generally healthier than being overweight. What you make of this is up to you though.
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Annabella · Like a person, only smaller Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

Shame that "Super Skinny Me" was on last night and you can't instruct her to watch it.

The short summary is that being skinny isn't about crash dieting or a one off hit of diet pills, it's a lifestyle.

Unless you continue with a life where you can have no enjoyment of food, are constantly tired, cold and hungry plus spending every waking moment being wholly anti-social by exercising then you will always return to your 'normal' weight - if you've been dieting for a while then you'll peak above what your normal weight was before you started to diet.

The most worrying thing is that your friend is only 16, as Lozzy said her body won't even have found it's natural weight yet. What she is in danger of doing is causing her body to compensate in the long-term and she will end up larger than she would naturally have been.

Check this news article out:
The effects of slimming drugs on babies
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