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| Posted: 19:26 - 10 May 2007 Post subject: |
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Ye It was a low way to go about it, i do admit that.
The only reason i said what i said, becuase a thread that starts consisting with the words Muslim and associated to something bad usually cues someone to follow with a comment like.. "KILL THEM ALL"
I think the term Muslim should be used a bit more carefully around these sort of things, Its a far too broad group of people to take the blame for minorities actions.
And yes it was low, but isn't it low when Israeli soldiers invade the homes of Palestine civilians, murder their families, rape their women, and kill their children.
They have bee fighting for years anyway, i can imagine alternate measures have taken place.
Funny how Israel is one of the few countries in the middle east that doesn't get bad publicity. Their involved with America somehow but they don't advertise that in the media much.
And as for the taking over the world? Stop dreaming you F*cks, it doesn't happen like that in the Qu'ran and the Apocolypse, if they follow their faith so well, they should believe in some form of fate.
I Don't really want to go on about it more, an turn it into a huge debate like last time, i don't have the time and patience to type so much!
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| FIRE_NSR wrote: | Ye It was a low way to go about it, i do admit that.
The only reason i said what i said, becuase a thread that starts consisting with the words Muslim and associated to something bad usually cues someone to follow with a comment like.. "KILL THEM ALL"
I think the term Muslim should be used a bit more carefully around these sort of things, Its a far too broad group of people to take the blame for minorities actions.
And yes it was low, but isn't it low when Israeli soldiers invade the homes of Palestine civilians, murder their families, rape their women, and kill their children.
They have bee fighting for years anyway, i can imagine alternate measures have taken place.
Funny how Israel is one of the few countries in the middle east that doesn't get bad publicity. Their involved with America somehow but they don't advertise that in the media much.
And as for the taking over the world? Stop dreaming you F*cks, it doesn't happen like that in the Qu'ran and the Apocolypse, if they follow their faith so well, they should believe in some form of fate.
I Don't really want to go on about it more, an turn it into a huge debate like last time, i don't have the time and patience to type so much! |
I've never had a bad word to say against islam or muslims in general, as I am certain that one of the five pillars of islam is that if you kill someone you kill the entire faith.
However evil the Hamas believe the Israelis are they should not be indoctrinating children to fight. Thats wrong in anyone's book.
And FIRE_NSR you say that Israel isn't criticised... Have you not read any of the left wing media lately? If Israel encouraged its children to kill with a show clearly aimed at toddlers, then the whole world would be in uproar, but as it is palestinians it has a small column in the news. I also personally have not heard any reports of women being raped... children being killed in rocket attacks maybe... but some of those rocket attacks last year were actually staged by Hamas in order to discredit the israelis.
I'm an Atheist. I'm not a Jew, and I'm not a Muslim. I'm not even a Christian, and with that knowledge I try to keep an open mind.
However, there is one thing that I do know, and that is Violence begets violence. And teaching 3-7 year olds to shoot people can't be a good thing.
{edit} Oh yes, and anyone with half a brain can see that Israel and the US have very strong links. There are a lot of Jews in the US, and a lot of those have money. Money and influence. Of course Israel and the US are close! {edit}
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And yes it was low, but isn't it low when Israeli soldiers invade the homes of Palestine civilians, murder their families, rape their women, and kill their children.
They have bee fighting for years anyway, i can imagine alternate measures have taken place.
Funny how Israel is one of the few countries in the middle east that doesn't get bad publicity. Their involved with America somehow but they don't advertise that in the media much.
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Fair points, Fire.
I think it would be dangerous to understate the fact that the friction between Jews and Muslims is much, much older than the creation of the state of Israel, though.
I do think it is a bad case of swings and roundabouts with Palestine and Israel. I very much doubt that Hamas would let the Jews live in peace if they put down their weapons and promised for an end to conflict.
Having said that, I very much doubt that Israel would leave Palestine alone should the same occur on their part.
The difference here is that Palestine would use Islam to defend their actions, whereas Israel would use catch-all terms such as "freedom", "safeguard", etc.
I think it is a big mistake for Islamic states to use their religion to justify their actions. It only feeds bigotry and ignorance. As a Muslim—and without wishing to sound patronising—I am sure you have seen your fair share of this.
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I've never had a bad word to say against Islam or Muslims in general, as I am certain that one of the five pillars of Islam is that if you kill someone you kill the entire faith.
However evil the Hamas believe the Israelis are they should not be indoctrinating children to fight. Thats wrong in anyone's book.
And FIRE_NSR you say that Israel isn't criticized... Have you not read any of the left wing media lately? If Israel encouraged its children to kill with a show clearly aimed at toddlers, then the whole world would be in uproar, but as it is palestinians it has a small column in the news. I also personally have not heard any reports of women being raped... children being killed in rocket attacks maybe... but some of those rocket attacks last year were actually staged by Hamas in order to discredit the israelis.
I'm an Atheist. I'm not a Jew, and I'm not a Muslim. I'm not even a Christian, and with that knowledge I try to keep an open mind.
However, there is one thing that I do know, and that is Violence begets violence. And teaching 3-7 year olds to shoot people can't be a good thing.
{edit} Oh yes, and anyone with half a brain can see that Israel and the US have very strong links. There are a lot of Jews in the US, and a lot of those have money. Money and influence. Of course Israel and the US are close! {edit} |
Ye Your Absolutely right, It is totally wrong children are being brought up like this! Would i want my children (if i had any) to go through this? Most certainly not!
But Its thought provoking in a way. What would bring a man, a human being, to such morally low tactics/methods?
And i think you have answered half that question yourself. America and Israel are very close. America .. unfortunately.. the biggest super power in the world is backing this country.Not Necessarily sending troops for them, but undoubtedly providing funding and arms. So now the Israelis have the odds stacked way high in the favors, lets look at Palestine...... Lil...Old... Palestine, just by themselves. Still fighting?...
Now lets throw a metaphor in, if a 6 foot 6 beast of a man by the name of Butch, notorious for regularly kicking the shit outa ya, is standing outside your door, booting it down, and your standing on the other side of it, all of your 8 stones 5 foot 6, butch has probably had turds bigger than you. what you going to have to resort to? kick him in the balls?.. thats pretty low.. but it almost feels justifiable.... Catch my drift?
And Marjay, of course its not going to be in the media, who is the owner of SKY television, and in control of various newspapers? The big Jew himself.. Rupert Murdoch, will he let things like "ISRAELI SOLDIERS MASSACRE PALESTINE VILLAGE" be printed? I think not.
| pwntifex wrote: | I do think it is a bad case of swings and roundabouts with Palestine and Israel. I very much doubt that Hamas would let the Jews live in peace if they put down their weapons and promised for an end to conflict.
Having said that, I very much doubt that Israel would leave Palestine alone should the same occur on their part.
The difference here is that Palestine would use Islam to defend their actions, whereas Israel would use catch-all terms such as "freedom", "safeguard", etc.
I think it is a big mistake for Islamic states to use their religion to justify their actions. It only feeds bigotry and ignorance. As a Muslim—and without wishing to sound patronising—I am sure you have seen your fair share of this. |
Theirs probably nothing we can do to stop them fighting, thats why everyone just lets them get on with it. And its been going on for so long, Newspapers just stop printing when minor stuff happens, much like those countries in Africa where mass genocide is happening, people get tired of hearing the same stuff, and the papers don't sell as well.
And i Agree with you, their are groups out their that are justifying their actions by the use of their faith, and it is wrong.
It Annoys me just as much as it annoys you, becuase i am a Muslim, and i do believe in the faith (although i don't practice). An when they do that, it almost involves me becuase im part of their faith, and makes other people think that im essentially a part of the terrorist regime too, when i do not condone these actions at all!
Thats why people associate Islam with terrorism.
When how can it be, where there are many many Muslims like myself, who feel this way.
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Ye Your Absolutely right, It is totally wrong children are being brought up like this! Would i want my children (if i had any) to go through this? Most certainly not!
But Its thought provoking in a way. What would bring a man, a human being, to such morally low tactics/methods?
Now lets throw a metaphor in, if a 6 foot 6 beast of a man by the name of Butch, notorious for regularly kicking the shit outa ya, is standing outside your door, booting it down, and your standing on the other side of it, all of your 8 stones 5 foot 6, butch has probably had turds bigger than you. what you going to have to resort to? kick him in the balls?.. thats pretty low.. but it almost feels justifiable.... Catch my drift?
And i think you have answered half that question yourself. America and Israel are very close. America .. unfortunately.. the biggest super power in the world is backing this country.Not Necessarily sending troops for them, but undoubtedly providing funding and arms. So now the Israelis have the odds stacked way high in the favors, lets look at Palestine...... Lil...Old... Palestine, just by themselves. Still fighting?...
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Considering the atrocities committed upon the Jewish people—not least by Arab Muslims; need I remind you of Muhammad's acts against the Medina Jews?—in the past 2000 years I would say that your argument here is, regardless of being utterly ridiculous, entirely the wrong way round. If we're going to take and accumulate past wrongdoings into account, Israel has more right to bomb the crap out of Palestine than vice versa.
Palestine receives arms from both America and the UK, albeit not officially. They're also getting weapons from Russia and the EBC. In short, they are far from ill-equipped.
| FIRE_NSR wrote: | And Marjay, of course its not going to be in the media, who is the owner of SKY television, and in control of various newspapers? The big Jew himself.. Rupert Murdoch, will he let things like "ISRAELI SOLDIERS MASSACRE PALESTINE VILLAGE" be printed? I think not. |
I don't even know where to start on this one.
The BBC is not owned by Rupert Murdoch. Murdoch owns The Times, News of the World and The Sun, none of which I read and far from the only news sources around.
I must say that although I sympathise with moderate Muslims, for whom terrorism is just as abhorrent as for the rest of us, your contempt for Jewish people is rather worrying and somewhat disappointing.
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| FIRE_NSR wrote: | | Mister James wrote: | On a point of order Mr Speaker, I'd like to emphasise that before Fire's post, no BCF user actually used the word Muslim - it was quoted directly from the video. |
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But someone would have said something, seen it happen many times before, thought id get in their 1st myself. |
Whoah, stereotyping and prejudging everyone who talks about such issues?!
Pot. Kettle. Etc.
On a more general level, the Israeli-Palestine conflict is one of the more obvious indicators of Muslims tending to support a group just because they claim to be Muslim too - regardless of the actual history of the conflict, or their own lack of involvement in it. That is what concerns many in the west, with some justification.
You quite interestingly pose the question "What would bring a man, a human being, to such morally low tactics/methods?" - might I suggest we could apply this to the Jews/Israelis? There's no doubt that much of their behaviour these days is pretty abhorrent - but what where the precursors to the Arab-Israeli conflicts? The Holocaust, followed by millions of Arab-Palestinians fleeing the area so their mates in the other Arab states could drive the Jews into the sea. The Jews' unexpected win prompted the whole Palestinian refugee thing, and spawned the never-ending argument of the 'right to return'.
The Arab states - all ostensibly Muslim, could do a million times more than they are to help the Palestinians, but choose not to because it is more useful for them to keep the status quo as a rallying cry, and camouflage for their own undemocratic and oppressive governments.
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