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I do CAD for a job.
To learn AutoCAD on a course (city & guilds) you'll be looking at just over £600 for a few months of training (enrollements in Sept), once you got city & guilds 2D qualification quite a few options open up for you.
3D cost's a lot more, close to a grands intensive, you can learn the basics in a week, which is what i'm doing in April.
I use solid works at my place because it is highly accurate software, TBH unless you are in engineering of a high spec field or aerospace then you wont be using it. So learning all you can about certian software could be a waste of time.
Ask your place what they use and go from there. ____________________ Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
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Having run an automotive design business, I can confirm that this...
| cqueen wrote: | I've seen suitable jobs wanting people with experience of catiaV5, I-deas, ProEngineer...?
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Is a spot on observation! Forget Autocad, Wrong tool for the job.
You will NEVER find autocad being used for automotive. Autocad costs about £2.5k per full licence. Catia costs £50k per full licence. Go figure. Different automotive companies use different software. For instance , the German manufacturers use catia. So does Jaguar and Land Rover, and more recently Ford use it in addition to IDEAS and C3P.
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a) Which software should I choose to learn, NOT Autocad.
b) How much should I spend for a full intensive course (2-3 weeks). For Catia you'll need at least 3 courses of a week each at about £2k a pop. Forget colleges, they can;t afford the software.
c) will I be able to learn 3D modelling type stuff in an intensive course? or is it something you have to do for years? You can learn it intensively, but it is VERY expensive.
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These days, you can get a huge leg-up via *cough* bit torrent. You'll find Catia on there and it'll run on a PC.
| MarJay wrote: | I learned AutoCAD 14 and 2000 when I was at Uni. There are no other CAD packages worth mentioning. They did both 2d and 3d stuff with ease.
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Absolute arse I'm afraid.
Colleges teach autocad cos it's the best for the budget they have available. Lecturers often get this wrong when they say, "this is the best on the market". The truth is only that it's the best under £10k., they didn't even look at the stuff above 10K. It is a good 2.5d architectural tool. (2.5d means 2d with 3d in layers)..
For 3d, Catia and Ideas are the space shuttle, autocad is a wheelbarrow.
Check this out:
https://www.3ds.com/flashgallery/imagine-and-shape-v5r17/
Unlike 3d tools used in CGI for movies and games design, all the curves produced by Catia are A grade surfaces by nature (autocad doesn't even come close), which means you can cut tooling directly from the digital designs with minimal rework in the toolroom.
And page specific to automotive applications is here: LINK
And some specific Catia software packages HERE
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As already said AutoCAD is a budet software which i don't really feel is worth learning, but if you do it doesn't take long atall.
A decent software you could look in to is Rhinoceres 3D. Although it's not on the level of Catia and Ideas, it's a good 3D software to start off with and will do the majority of things you would want it for
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cqueen if any of these are any good to you let me know m8 ....
Autodesk.AliasStudio.v13.02
Autodesk.Building.Systems.v2007 (5 disc's)
Autodesk.Civil.3D.v2007
Autodesk.Civil.Design.v2007.
Autodesk.Land.Desktop.v2007 (4 disc's)
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i have autocad 2006 if you want.
Ill bung it on a cd and post it out, just pm me your addy if your interested.
I downloaded it to attept to learn cad for something to do but it didnt take off
ooh forgot to mention I did buy it off a china man down the pub called Piratebay ____________________ There is no point in ranting about someone stupid because there is nothing u can do about it. There is no cure for stupid.
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Thanks for your help guys. I've chosen to do a course in Catia V5. So if anyone has got any material on that, then that would be great.
Now... back to pc world to return my autocad book!
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Joined this thread too late, never mind.
I'm a design Draughtsman and have been using SolidEdge for 8 years, very flexible and user freindly. Sheetmetal tool is excellent.
Agree with all above I also have a copy Autocad LT, total tripe.
Good luck with the Catia course though Look forward to seeing your Jet Ski designs on the lofting side. |
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Nice one, looks good if not a little wide.
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Sorry to bring the thread back up, but does anyone have trial version (or full version ) of Alias i could have a copy of?
I can't seem to download it off the net, my pc is being a tool and not letting it initiate.
Cheers
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As has been said it really depends on what your using them for (anything 3d in autocad is an absolute fecking nightmare it must be said)
Autocad is more or less industry standard for building firms or anyone dealing with buildings in general, because as has been said its fairly cheap but not many big firms want to spend allot either, specially if all other firms are useing it too.. Archicad is vastly superior for new builds is expensisve and very few people know how to use it, in fact there still architects who insist on working on paper drawings (not many but still more than you'd think could)
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 359 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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