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cqueen
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Which CAD Package? Reply with quote

I would like to learn CAD to help further my career, I've looked up a few training courses but I'm not sure which actual software would be best for me to learn.

I would especially like to learn 3D CAD (solid works?), I work in the automotive engineering sector I've seen suitable jobs wanting people with experience of catiaV5, I-deas, ProEngineer...?
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a) Which software should I choose to learn,
b) How much should I spend for a full intensive course (2-3 weeks)
c) will I be able to learn 3D modelling type stuff in an intensive course? or is it something you have to do for years?

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PostPosted: 19:05 - 26 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only cad package i have used is AutoCAD its a good little program, but doesnt have a 3D modelling function as far as i know.

Sorry i cant be more help.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 27 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do CAD for a job.

To learn AutoCAD on a course (city & guilds) you'll be looking at just over £600 for a few months of training (enrollements in Sept), once you got city & guilds 2D qualification quite a few options open up for you.

3D cost's a lot more, close to a grands intensive, you can learn the basics in a week, which is what i'm doing in April.
I use solid works at my place because it is highly accurate software, TBH unless you are in engineering of a high spec field or aerospace then you wont be using it. So learning all you can about certian software could be a waste of time.

Ask your place what they use and go from there.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 27 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned AutoCAD 14 and 2000 when I was at Uni. There are no other CAD packages worth mentioning. They did both 2d and 3d stuff with ease.

Whichever is the latest version will be the de facto standard in the world of CAD.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 27 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

take a look at this

https://download.autodesk.com/esd/autocad/06.ADP.0821/index.html?ch=ON

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PostPosted: 14:07 - 27 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

killa wrote:
To learn AutoCAD on a course (city & guilds) you'll be looking at just over £600 for a few months of training (enrollements in Sept).


Not really an option, I can't wait months, Id rather do intensive.

killa wrote:
I use solid works at my place because it is highly accurate software
So, Solid works isnt part of the auto cad stuff?

killa wrote:
TBH unless you are in engineering of a high spec field or aerospace then you wont be using it.

I am.

I've downloaded the free trial of autocad 2007 and bought a book on it. Hopefully if I can teach my self the basics, I'll only need the intermediate/advanced traing course.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 27 Jan 2007    Post subject: Re: Which CAD Package? Reply with quote

Having run an automotive design business, I can confirm that this...

cqueen wrote:
I've seen suitable jobs wanting people with experience of catiaV5, I-deas, ProEngineer...?

Is a spot on observation! Forget Autocad, Wrong tool for the job.


You will NEVER find autocad being used for automotive. Autocad costs about £2.5k per full licence. Catia costs £50k per full licence. Go figure. Different automotive companies use different software. For instance , the German manufacturers use catia. So does Jaguar and Land Rover, and more recently Ford use it in addition to IDEAS and C3P.

cqueen wrote:

a) Which software should I choose to learn, NOT Autocad.
b) How much should I spend for a full intensive course (2-3 weeks). For Catia you'll need at least 3 courses of a week each at about £2k a pop. Forget colleges, they can;t afford the software.
c) will I be able to learn 3D modelling type stuff in an intensive course? or is it something you have to do for years? You can learn it intensively, but it is VERY expensive.


These days, you can get a huge leg-up via *cough* bit torrent. You'll find Catia on there and it'll run on a PC.


MarJay wrote:
I learned AutoCAD 14 and 2000 when I was at Uni. There are no other CAD packages worth mentioning. They did both 2d and 3d stuff with ease.


Absolute arse I'm afraid.
Colleges teach autocad cos it's the best for the budget they have available. Lecturers often get this wrong when they say, "this is the best on the market". The truth is only that it's the best under £10k., they didn't even look at the stuff above 10K. It is a good 2.5d architectural tool. (2.5d means 2d with 3d in layers)..

For 3d, Catia and Ideas are the space shuttle, autocad is a wheelbarrow.
Check this out:
https://www.3ds.com/flashgallery/imagine-and-shape-v5r17/

Unlike 3d tools used in CGI for movies and games design, all the curves produced by Catia are A grade surfaces by nature (autocad doesn't even come close), which means you can cut tooling directly from the digital designs with minimal rework in the toolroom.

And page specific to automotive applications is here: LINK

And some specific Catia software packages HERE


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PostPosted: 16:17 - 27 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As already said AutoCAD is a budet software which i don't really feel is worth learning, but if you do it doesn't take long atall.

A decent software you could look in to is Rhinoceres 3D. Although it's not on the level of Catia and Ideas, it's a good 3D software to start off with and will do the majority of things you would want it for

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PostPosted: 22:22 - 27 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cqueen if any of these are any good to you let me know m8 ....



Autodesk.AliasStudio.v13.02

Autodesk.Building.Systems.v2007 (5 disc's)

Autodesk.Civil.3D.v2007

Autodesk.Civil.Design.v2007.

Autodesk.Land.Desktop.v2007 (4 disc's)

AUTODESK.MAYA.UNLIMITED.V8.0
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 28 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have autocad 2006 if you want.
Ill bung it on a cd and post it out, just pm me your addy if your interested.
I downloaded it to attept to learn cad for something to do but it didnt take off Very Happy

ooh forgot to mention I did buy it off a china man down the pub called Piratebay
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 28 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your help guys. I've chosen to do a course in Catia V5. So if anyone has got any material on that, then that would be great.

Now... back to pc world to return my autocad book!

(..yes I went in pc world Embarassed Crying or Very sad )
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 30 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joined this thread too late, never mind.
I'm a design Draughtsman and have been using SolidEdge for 8 years, very flexible and user freindly. Sheetmetal tool is excellent.
Agree with all above I also have a copy Autocad LT, total tripe.
Good luck with the Catia course though Thumbs Up Look forward to seeing your Jet Ski designs on the lofting side.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 30 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

king kong wrote:
Look forward to seeing your Jet Ski designs on the lofting side.


Eh? Confused
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 30 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I have a question.

How do you define a design engineer? For example if I was to become totally sufficient in Catia V5, would that make me suitable for a design engineers job?
I have a relativley good background in engineering (not degree), but I've never actually had to design anything before.
Will I be alright?
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 30 Jan 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only ever worked in automotive and have always used catia. Assuming your looking at contracting, your going to need a good knowledge of V4, not many places using V5 at the moment, but it is picking up. You may have a problem without any previous experience as a designer, your going to need some sort of evidence that you are capable of doing the job. Only suggestion is to find some small companies looking at converting 2d drawings to 3d.

I did my training though IBM, costs was between £500 - £1000 per module, probably a bit cheaper now.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've done my 5 day intensive fundamentals course, Been practising a little and came up with this, which I'm quite pleased with. I'm gonna keep practising for a few more weeks then do the advanced 3 day intensive.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 20 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one, looks good if not a little wide.

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PostPosted: 21:20 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cqueen wrote:
Well I've done my 5 day intensive fundamentals course.


Where did you do your training in the end?
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

for a few days of doing it you are doing verry well, we used to have a cad program in my old school but i cant rember what it was called.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 21 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Where did you do your training in the end?


Quest for catia.
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 22 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cqueen wrote:
Ok I have a question.

How do you define a design engineer? For example if I was to become totally sufficient in Catia V5, would that make me suitable for a design engineers job?
I have a relativley good background in engineering (not degree), but I've never actually had to design anything before.
Will I be alright?


I would'nt say that because are now a design engineer because you've have had some experience in CAD that you can become a design engineer. CAD is only a tool afterall. I've got a spanner but I'm no mechanic. All CAd has done is rplace the drawing board and pencil and set square (which I used to work with many years ago).


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PostPosted: 18:33 - 22 Feb 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cqueen wrote:
Ok I have a question.

How do you define a design engineer? For example if I was to become totally sufficient in Catia V5, would that make me suitable for a design engineers job?
I have a relativley good background in engineering (not degree), but I've never actually had to design anything before.
Will I be alright?
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 12 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to bring the thread back up, but does anyone have trial version (or full version Very Happy ) of Alias i could have a copy of?

I can't seem to download it off the net, my pc is being a tool and not letting it initiate. Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: 02:09 - 12 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any one got a cad program that they could send via email or what ever , just for me to mess about on and see what i can come up with or even teaman do you still have that one ? i will pay you what it cost for the cd and to send to me, i could pay via paypal if you want me to ?
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 12 Mar 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As has been said it really depends on what your using them for (anything 3d in autocad is an absolute fecking nightmare it must be said)

Autocad is more or less industry standard for building firms or anyone dealing with buildings in general, because as has been said its fairly cheap but not many big firms want to spend allot either, specially if all other firms are useing it too.. Archicad is vastly superior for new builds is expensisve and very few people know how to use it, in fact there still architects who insist on working on paper drawings (not many but still more than you'd think could)

I'll have a look at catia, i'd heard of it but not really payed much attention to it tbh looks very interesting
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