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 Posted: 12:55 - 31 May 2007 Post subject: Congestion charge for Bikes in Manchester |
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I don't know if any of you have heard this yet but its just been on the news that Bikes will be charged a reduced rate congestion charge when it comes in to force in Manchester.
Just goes to show its nothing to do with congestion and just another way of earning money!
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Yeah, I'd heard it was rumoured to be the case... I'm gutted it's true though.
How can they argue that bikes add to congestion? I ride 15 miles into Manchester (I work at the university) every day and at no point am I causing congestion... In fact I spend 75% of the time riding past it!
I can easily get the train on occasions when the bike is off the road but it's more exspensive and rammed. The morning train that arrives in good time for all the 9-5'ers often has to sail through the last two stations on the route as it's rammed to capacity. What the hell is going to happen upon introduction of the congestion charge I don't know.
Ah well, one things for sure, it's not going to be good for Manchester Growth.
Tim ____________________ Current Bikes - Kawasaki ZX-6R (636) | BMW G650GS |
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on another note let try and do something about it.
just found this online petition so everyone get signed up and let see if they will actually listen to what people want:
https://www.petitiononline.com/mancong/petition.html ____________________ I seem to have misplaced my pants................... |
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Arrrgh! The last i heard on the congestion charge coming to Manchester was just speculation. Is this shit actually happening? And bikes too??? Jesus. "Congestion" in Manchester isn't even that bad, not like London at any rate. What a scam.  |
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yup even worse ones for your wallet , Tory MP dared the Labour council to hold a referendum , they said no we know better , ie they will lose,
but ! 2010 I intend to be on the south coast anyway and 2013 emigrated. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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| Quote: | Arrrgh! The last i heard on the congestion charge coming to Manchester was just speculation.
Is this shit actually happening? And bikes too??? Jesus. "Congestion" in Manchester isn't even
that bad, not like London at any rate. What a scam. |
Congestion is being artificially created ,
examples?
All the traffic light sequences have been changed , I had the Manchester traffic lights down perfectly on
my timing, I would prebuffer my revs expecting it to change, they now don't and give much longer
priority to unbusy side streets. = causes congestion, BMW man has complained about this too
you used to be able to sit at 29mph and hit green ALL the way in.
More bus lanes than are empty , what takes the piss is many buses don't actually use them
= more traffic
More cycle lanes which most of the time are not used.
Phantom Road works , just before prestwich a set or roadworks completely blocked off one
lane , then again in Lower Broghton , then again in Salford then again just outside the
prison , the roads remained untouched = more traffic
Ancotes is a perfect example , two lane roads closed to one with no work done on them
at all, people have moved them out the way.
Traffic calming ie Ancotes again which slows traffic down again.
Appauling road conditions, which narrow lanes down harshly down cheetham hill way into the
city the roads are so knackered they are effectively reduced from 4 lanes to two lanes.
Increased parking spaces onroad where there used to be none example prestwich outside
richer Sounds , around 2000-2003 you could never park there, now you can this cuts a 2
lane road (and two attack filtering lanes) into one.
The effect of this has been that many many firms are moving out the city centre to business
parks outside the M60 , mine is SR125 girl's firm is , and my Brunt wood building is very empty
right now, its classic golden goose syndrome , they think they will make loads of money doing this
but people vote with their feet and wallets and the city centre will lose huge amounts of business
council tax, whcih means they have to hike the charge to make it pay , the London charge at £8
a day doesn't even break even for the company running it.
but I have the ULTIMATE solution! , multiple rat bikes! , ie I park a rat bike at home, then one in whitefield
inside the zone , I park up inside whitefield before the zone change, run over to the 2nd bike ride that
to the city centre limits, and jump on bike #3 parked just inside the city center, Genius! I pay NO
charge ! , except the extra road tax, I cause even more environmental damage and I pay zero
extra! , hurrah for rat bikes, ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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| Itchy wrote: | | Quote: | Arrrgh! The last i heard on the congestion charge coming to Manchester was just speculation.
Is this shit actually happening? And bikes too??? Jesus. "Congestion" in Manchester isn't even
that bad, not like London at any rate. What a scam. |
Congestion is being artificially created ,
examples?
All the traffic light sequences have been changed , I had the Manchester traffic lights down perfectly on
my timing, I would prebuffer my revs expecting it to change, they now don't and give much longer
priority to unbusy side streets. = causes congestion, BMW man has complained about this too
you used to be able to sit at 29mph and hit green ALL the way in.
More bus lanes than are empty , what takes the piss is many buses don't actually use them
= more traffic
More cycle lanes which most of the time are not used.
Phantom Road works , just before prestwich a set or roadworks completely blocked off one
lane , then again in Lower Broghton , then again in Salford then again just outside the
prison , the roads remained untouched = more traffic
Ancotes is a perfect example , two lane roads closed to one with no work done on them
at all, people have moved them out the way.
Traffic calming ie Ancotes again which slows traffic down again.
Appauling road conditions, which narrow lanes down harshly down cheetham hill way into the
city the roads are so knackered they are effectively reduced from 4 lanes to two lanes.
Increased parking spaces onroad where there used to be none example prestwich outside
richer Sounds , around 2000-2003 you could never park there, now you can this cuts a 2
lane road (and two attack filtering lanes) into one.
The effect of this has been that many many firms are moving out the city centre to business
parks outside the M60 , mine is SR125 girl's firm is , and my Brunt wood building is very empty
right now, its classic golden goose syndrome , they think they will make loads of money doing this
but people vote with their feet and wallets and the city centre will lose huge amounts of business
council tax, whcih means they have to hike the charge to make it pay , the London charge at £8
a day doesn't even break even for the company running it.
but I have the ULTIMATE solution! , multiple rat bikes! , ie I park a rat bike at home, then one in whitefield
inside the zone , I park up inside whitefield before the zone change, run over to the 2nd bike ride that
to the city centre limits, and jump on bike #3 parked just inside the city center, Genius! I pay NO
charge ! , except the extra road tax, I cause even more environmental damage and I pay zero
extra! , hurrah for rat bikes, |
Pretty much agree.
Bus lanes are pretty much empty with one bus passing say every 10 minutes. Nice bit of efficient road use their.
Trains as they stand are already overcrowded at peak times which the congestion charge is aimed for. I've seen a the doors shut once or twice and people being refused from getting on. Now a congestion charge will see increased rail users.
The recent comedy episode of bus wardens in piccadily gardens as the buses where causing tail backs due to competitor operators trying to out do each other shows the center couldn't cope with more busses.
Charging bikes is silly. If it is about congestion they should be promoting bikes. The dft minister who rides a bike him self said they where looking at promoting small capacity bikes for in the city if i remember right, this goes against that. He might not even be the minister any more they change that much i suppose. |
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| Itchy wrote: | but I have the ULTIMATE solution! , multiple rat bikes! , ie I park a rat bike at home, then one in whitefield
inside the zone , I park up inside whitefield before the zone change, run over to the 2nd bike ride that
to the city centre limits, and jump on bike #3 parked just inside the city center, Genius! I pay NO
charge ! , except the extra road tax, I cause even more environmental damage and I pay zero
extra! , hurrah for rat bikes, |
Oh dear.
Well obviously this aint gonna affect me... But why would this cause more env damage Itchy dude? |
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the riding position on that bike makes my CBR look comfy! ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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The congestion charge is utter bollocks.
I live in Stockport and work in Manchester, me and my missus drive in together, it takes us around 25 minutes max right into the city centre, a distance of around 6 miles. The only bad bit of congestion is on the A6. Why? Cos the useless f**kers put in a bus lane, it was fine before but now it's busy as 2 lanes have become one. And how many buses use their frigging bus lane? Sod all, you practicaly never see a bus in the morning.
So, we will have to fork out for the privilage of driving to work? What about car pooling? We share a car, we should pay less.
And now I'll be biking to work while she's off on maternity leave (our first - hurrah! I still have to pay the f**king charge?
It's so frigging unfair, especially on the people that really can't afford it.
You know what we should do? Just for a day, boycott cars and bikes and ALL try to get to work on public transport. Every f**ker would be late for work and that would prove, once and for all, that the public transport system simply cannot cope. End of. ____________________ - Current Bike: Honda Varadero 125 - |
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| Itchy wrote: | The effect of this has been that many many firms are moving out the city centre to business
parks outside the M60 , mine is SR125 girl's firm is , and my Brunt wood building is very empty
right now, its classic golden goose syndrome , they think they will make loads of money doing this
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Fine if you live the side of the city they have moved too, if not then you have to pay....
You then get into the situation that we have at work...We need more parking spaces as we are on a out of town site. Council will not give permission.....
And this is a Carbon netural co, who promote car sharing, not that easy on our shifts though, provide a free shuttle bus which is well used. Just when you finish late at night bus is not a option, as there simply is not any running where you want to go. ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 278 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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