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I wonder why they singled out motorbikes first, when clearly it's cloned cars they've got a problem with? 
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| Posted: 20:42 - 02 Jun 2007 Post subject: Re: Run That One By Me Again...? |
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| bazza wrote: | From https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6707367.stm
| bbc news wrote: | The DVLA is considering forcing all the UK's 1.3 million motorcycles to be fitted with plates featuring electronic tags, which are currently being trialled. |
"Forcing" me, is it? Well, I might just be considering "forcing" a powerful magnet into close proximity to their electronic tag. |
Would you rather someone cloned your plate, and got you a speeding ticket that you did not deserve? or worse still, involved a vehicle with a clone of your plate in an armed robbery?
Or even worse than that, a vehicle with a clone of your plate involved in a hit and run, where the victim dies???
I would not have a problem with it, as long as i was not charged for it. But if they do, it will be unpopular like the proposed ID cards, because they were going to force people to pay upto £300, just so they could keep tabs on you.
Another argument for planting a big F**k off bomb at the next Labour conference, wouldn't you say Bazza? |
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| Posted: 21:00 - 02 Jun 2007 Post subject: Re: Run That One By Me Again...? |
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| demoNSR wrote: | Would you rather someone cloned your plate, and got you a speeding ticket that you did not deserve? or worse still, involved a vehicle with a clone of your plate in an armed robbery?
Or even worse than that, a vehicle with a clone of your plate involved in a hit and run, where the victim dies???
I would not have a problem with it, as long as i was not charged for it. But if they do, it will be unpopular like the proposed ID cards, because they were going to force people to pay upto £300, just so they could keep tabs on you.
Another argument for planting a big F**k off bomb at the next Labour conference, wouldn't you say Bazza? |
Not really. Euthanising the entire Mail & Sun "readerships" would probably do the trick.
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I would not have a problem with it, as long as i was not charged for it.
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They will invariably charge for it , they always fucking do , its less a case of safety and or preventing cloning , its more a case of controling the population, it'll be like £50 to put in at MOT time, and if a cop car 'detects' your bike without the chip , = £big fine and forced to replace it again at £50, +3 points no doubt.
and whats this? RFID readers at regular check points? just a tiny extra step, also indicating your speed?
You seem to like being abused by the government don't you? ,
This is a classic case of divide and conquer, many motorists hate bikers , by virtue that we never get stuck in traffic , can go faster than them and have many misconceptions, I remember a BBC forum which stated that ALL motorbikes pay £15 road tax, I sure don't I recently paid £47 for the CBR and £64 for the NTV. combined actually about the same as a Hyundai Getz.
And yes I would rather take that risk much as I would take the risk of being blown up by a terrorist than all the totalitarian control freakery governmental measures that are designed to 'protect' us,
tell me what is the risk of my bikes being cloned for use in an armed robbery?
Think about this what 133 people die in 2005 due to a bomb , in the same year 4000+ people died by car, assess the risk , go on which body count is higher?
They big up the risks , ohh what if it were to happen to YOU, to scare you into these things? , don't be so scared.
And before you say it, way back when the IRA made a mess of Manchester I was in Picadilly Gardens
To take the piss on top of this this is a problem that has been caused by the government, Cameras instead
of cops , all these inefficient road taxes ie the congestion charge which is 135% inefficient to collect £1 it
costs £1.35 because of all the job creation and admin involved. People seek to avoid such things thus
they created the problem themselves!.
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Or just leave this orwellian nightmare behind and head for a tropical banana republic.
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10 years of labour is more than enough for me, i have never been so passionate about politics for all the wrong reasons. The Labour government are a gang of self satisfied liars, forcing casinos upon a reluctant public and telling us its what we want (never have lies been so blatant and transparent)
You are never truly free in a western society (but it is the best of a bad bunch) but at least before the labour government we had the illusion that we were in control of our own lives. This government is stripping us of even our most basic civil liberties, and they will not stop until we are all cushioned from any potential harm (living) that we can encounter.
It's tragic seeing my fathers take on this, he was born into a country he was proud to be a part of, he considered himself to be an Englishman and a Britain. He no longer cares, he has been fundementally stripped of his patriotism.
What is a Britain? Ask someone / anyone and i doubt they will have much of an answer past "A scumhole who nicks your shit". We live in a society where we are told its ok to be a thieveing scumbag, you just need therapy.
We live in a society where its cool to be thick as shit, and wrong to be well spoken and educated, thats Britain.
Take some time out and visit Spain / France / Italy, thats how we should live, and they think we have become a gang of degenerate mongrel barbarians.
I am inclined to agree my dear Sir.
I will not be tracked, they cannot take away the one thing in the world that i love to do, the one escape from the pressures they help to put upon us.
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| Posted: 12:39 - 03 Jun 2007 Post subject: Re: Run That One By Me Again...? |
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| bazza wrote: | | demoNSR wrote: | Would you rather someone cloned your plate, and got you a speeding ticket that you did not deserve? or worse still, involved a vehicle with a clone of your plate in an armed robbery?
Or even worse than that, a vehicle with a clone of your plate involved in a hit and run, where the victim dies???
I would not have a problem with it, as long as i was not charged for it. But if they do, it will be unpopular like the proposed ID cards, because they were going to force people to pay upto £300, just so they could keep tabs on you.
Another argument for planting a big F**k off bomb at the next Labour conference, wouldn't you say Bazza? |
Not really. Euthanising the entire Mail & Sun "readerships" would probably do the trick. |
Well that would wipe out most of the population, so not entirely practical. And it still doesn't address the issue of number plate cloning. |
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I would not have a problem with it, as long as i was not charged for it.
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They will invariably charge for it , they always fucking do , its less a case of safety and or preventing cloning , its more a case of controling the population, it'll be like £50 to put in at MOT time, and if a cop car 'detects' your bike without the chip , = £big fine and forced to replace it again at £50, +3 points no doubt.
and whats this? RFID readers at regular check points? just a tiny extra step, also indicating your speed?
You seem to like being abused by the government don't you? ,
This is a classic case of divide and conquer, many motorists hate bikers , by virtue that we never get stuck in traffic , can go faster than them and have many misconceptions, I remember a BBC forum which stated that ALL motorbikes pay £15 road tax, I sure don't I recently paid £47 for the CBR and £64 for the NTV. combined actually about the same as a Hyundai Getz.
And yes I would rather take that risk much as I would take the risk of being blown up by a terrorist than all the totalitarian control freakery governmental measures that are designed to 'protect' us,
tell me what is the risk of my bikes being cloned for use in an armed robbery?
Think about this what 133 people die in 2005 due to a bomb , in the same year 4000+ people died by car, assess the risk , go on which body count is higher?
They big up the risks , ohh what if it were to happen to YOU, to scare you into these things? , don't be so scared.
And before you say it, way back when the IRA made a mess of Manchester I was in Picadilly Gardens
To take the piss on top of this this is a problem that has been caused by the government, Cameras instead
of cops , all these inefficient road taxes ie the congestion charge which is 135% inefficient to collect £1 it
costs £1.35 because of all the job creation and admin involved. People seek to avoid such things thus
they created the problem themselves!. |
I was just being hyperthetical. No need to get all serious on my ass.
I was saying I would not have a problem with it, but I should have went further to say that, I would not mind, as long as we weren't charged for it. And that it was not used to keep tabs on us. If it was just a chip which held information about your bike, such as chassis/frame number, colour, year of manufacture etc, then I would not have a problem with it. But i also mentioned ID cards in my post, which i have always been vehemently opposed to. As they are an invasion of your civil liberties. And Number plate chips would be too, if used in the same way.
And as far as the IRA are concerned, our past governments, mainly the Conservatives are to blame for the IRA bombing campaign that went on in this country.
I say again, give the BNP a try if you are so sick of mainstream politicians and their policies. I am not ashamed to say that I voted for them in the last local elections. I have read their manifesto, unlike most people. And to me, they make a lot of sense. |
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I say again, give the BNP a try if you are so sick of mainstream politicians and their policies. I am not ashamed to say that I voted for them in the last local elections. I have read their manifesto, unlike most people. And to me, they make a lot of sense. |
Not that I'm berating your opinion or anything since you can vote for whoever you want, but I don't think they they have the answers. |
No harm in giving them a try. Since all the other mainstream parties seem to be hell bent on bleeding us dry, and restricting us from doing what we enjoy. We have experienced the Tories, and Labour, and all they do is lie to us, say one thing, when they realy intend to do something totally different. And maybe, if a lot of their voters deserted them, they might think twice about spouting the bullshit that they do. And do things honestly for a change, instead of trying to deceive us. After all, if we did not like the way that BNP ran things, we would only be stuck with them for 5 years, then we could vote for someone different next time. But Labour aren't working for the genearal population of this country. All they have done is give us a strong economy, but who does it really benefit?
Those with fat wallets. While all the time, they are eroding our civil liberties, and taxing us more and more each year, while we see no real benefit for the money they screw from us. But please read the BNP manifesto, instead of believing the bullshit that most would have you believe. Cos Labour and the Tories have the most to lose if BNP were in power. Make an informed decision, and free yourself from the tyranny.
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Read it yourself, before you start spouting off. As you are the type who probably voted Labour, and ends up complaining about the likes of chips being attached to number plates etc, tax on fuel, RFT, etc, etc, etc, So if you don't like what politicians in power are doing to you, vote for someone else. Or shut your trap, because i for one am sick of people whining on about the government, when most of the whiners are probably the ones who got them into power in the first place. And if you don't vote at all, then i say again, your oppinion is worthless.
Its a bit like someone with no understanding of football, trying to explain the offside rule.
It is your thread after all. |
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the government is shit and wants to take as much money as possible off you face it and then they will spend it on shit things that dont help you in the slightest  |
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| Mister James wrote: | Actually the BNP manifesto makes it quite clear that they wish all ethnic minorities to return home - regardless of whether they hold British citizenship or not. It also states that 'coloureds' are not allowed to join the BNP - so how can it be taken seriously as a party fit for government, if it cheerfully states that it won't be looking out for a significant portion of the population?
If you glance at any of the threads involving myself and your fellow BNP-nut Cestrian debating this point, you'll notice that not a single pro-BNP has managed to undermine this crucial fact. I suggest you don't even bother trying.
Oh, and by the way, the BNP is racist. And moronic. And incapable of even presenting a half decent argument. And did I mention racist?
As an example of your collective lack of imagination, I note that you are the umpteenth BNP fanboy to throw around words like 'clone' to describe anyone who agrees with your opponents. What a childish and lazy way of looking at things - just what I'd expect from someone capable of being suckered by the gibberish masquerading as a party manifesto on your glorious site of the 4th Reich.
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That will make You popular with the Jewish community.
Another person spouting bullshit. When will it end?
The BNP manifesto clearly states, that, "There is no desire to re-nationalise ethnic minorities who were born here" (British citizens). They will give non British citizens (asylum seekers, economic migrants, whatever) the CHOICE to return home, ASSISTED i might add, of their own free will. This program will be given a year initially to complete. Any non British citizens remaining after the year is up, will be returned to their country of origin if they cannot prove there lives will be in peril after returning home.
It says nothing about British Asians, Afro-caribbeans, Chinese, Japanese or otherwise being forced to leave Britain if they were born here, and hold British citizenship.
And anyone who does not hold British citizenship, wil only be allowed to stay if they can do good for the country, or if there is a shortage of people with key skills which they might hold. Such as brain surgeons, Teachers for example. So read it again, as you obviously read it wrong last time.
For fuck sake, even white people are refused entry to Australia, so are they racist too?
It is all about looking after one's own. we are already over populated, and our infrastructure is straining at the seams.
Think about it. Our system can barely cope as it is.
And for your information, I used to be a CLONE, who voted for Labour in 97, to oust the Tories. But I saw the light, made an informed choice, and never voted for them again. As they broke their tax promises in their first term of power, just so they could achieve the single most important thing that matters to them. A strong economy, in their goal to be 2nd to the US.
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And just how do the chips stop cloning ?
Do they not realise that these people will just drive around the same with unchipped plates...
Or there will suddenly be a rash of number plate thefts, which there was at one point till these people found that the DVLA web site was all you needed to find a number to a car the same make and colour as they use.....
The only way to stop people avoiding these sort of charges is to make the only charges on things we all need to make the cars go.... Petrol, oil, etc....
And once anyone is caught avoiding charge the car is crushed....
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