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Runner07
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Getting a 50cc moped upgraded to a 70cc? Reply with quote

Hi,

Ive recently been looking for a moped to buy for my first bike. I have my eyes on a Gilera Runner SP 50. The bike seems okay and is a price of £650. The bike has been "Bored" to a 70cc. A 70cc kit has been installed. I dont know to much about it but i was told that it shortens how much you get out of the bike.

The bike is 2003. And if i do buy it ill be driving it for about 12 months max. Can somene tell me abit more about 70cc bore kits for 50cc mopeds and if it should be fine for 12 months from now on the road.


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PostPosted: 09:36 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're 16, you're stuck with a 50cc moped, and a 30mph limit. If you increase the size of your engine or it's top speed, it becomes a 'motorcycle' and you would therefore, be riding without a licence or insurance.

As it is.. a bore kit can shorten the life of the engine, as the crank and end bearings aren't designed for the additional load.

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PostPosted: 09:41 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thanks.

A 50cc moped that have been bored to 70cc, does it pass MOT?
I understand that as im only 16 the speed limit is 30mph. But where i live no-one will drive a 50cc moped with a max speed of 30mph. Everyones moped is de-restricted an hits 55+ lol.

If i was to get the 70cc moped would i be able to set-up insurance and MOT + Tax fine?

Here's the link for the moped advertisement.
https://www.gumtree.com/london/60/10178660.html

Thanks for the advice!!
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Runner07 wrote:
A 50cc moped that have been bored to 70cc, does it pass MOT?
I understand that as im only 16 the speed limit is 30mph. But where i live no-one will drive a 50cc moped with a max speed of 30mph. Everyones moped is de-restricted an hits 55+ lol.

If i was to get the 70cc moped would i be able to set-up insurance and MOT + Tax fine?

Thanks for the advice!!


'Everyone' will be riding illegally then, if they're 16.

I imagine you can get insurance etc, but by lying and saying it's 50cc/30mph. As that is all you have a licence for.

Riding anything else = riding without licence and insurance.

It's your choice, but those are the risks you take. Karma

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PostPosted: 12:11 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Runner07 wrote:
But where i live no-one will drive a 50cc moped with a max speed of 30mph. Everyones moped is de-restricted an hits 55+ lol.


Where I live the local chavs ride 110 pit bikes 2 up on the pavement with no helmet. No-one is going to tell you it's "OK" to ride a derestricted/bored out moped at 16; it's a decision you take to do or not. At the end of the day, "everyone else does it" has never won an argument in court.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. Im in a bit of a dilemma now lol. Well at least the Moped will pass MOT/Insurance ETC with it bored to 70cc. But as you say its upto me then.

Well thanks everyone for your info/advice!

One more quick question, Say i bought a brand new 50cc moped (2007 style) and i got it bored to a 70cc. How long would the bike be in good use with the 70cc bore kit installed?
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

just try and get a 50 thats only been derestricted, bore kits and shit like that just make it a bit of a liability, its sure to go bang in the not too distant future and it will be more difficult to sell on.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Runner07 wrote:
Ok thanks.

A 50cc moped that have been bored to 70cc, does it pass MOT?


the MOT has no bearing on the capacity of the bike, so yes.

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If i was to get the 70cc moped would i be able to set-up insurance and MOT + Tax fine?


You may have to lie to the insurance company about the capacity to get them to insure you.

Some insurance compa nies will still 'insure' you for a 70cc moped at 16 even if you tell them it's 70cc (despite it being illegal for you to ride it), however, as soon as you try and claim, they'll just not pay out as you're riding without a licence. So insurance is largely irrelevant. Might as well just ride totally uninsured and save the cash, legally, there's no differnce.

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PostPosted: 14:45 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

feef wrote:
legally, there's no difference.


Surely you mean in the event of a claim theres no difference? Legally if he has no insurance he can be done for riding without insurance? Whereas if he has insurance which will be invalidated at an accident it still counts as riding with insurance?

I don't know like, just wondering?
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

SavageKymco wrote:
feef wrote:
legally, there's no difference.


Surely you mean in the event of a claim theres no difference? Legally if he has no insurance he can be done for riding without insurance? Whereas if he has insurance which will be invalidated at an accident it still counts as riding with insurance?

I don't know like, just wondering?


if he is riding a 70cc bike with documents for a 50cc bike, he's uninsired. the presence of those documents are legally irrelevant to the bike he's actually using.

If you asking could he get away with blagging it, that the 70 IS in fact the 50 on thre docs? possibly. That's a differnt arguement

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PostPosted: 15:22 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is an extra 20cc worth losing your chance to experience an extra 75cc legally in a year? And then possible > 550 if you pass your full license?

Think about it

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PostPosted: 16:09 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ignoring the legal side of things, the main problem with 70 kits on 50cc bikes/peds is they are not fitted propperly or jetted correctly. Also when fitted without taller gearing they rev higher and don't even go any quicker! I would say the majority out there are setup badly and I would avoid anything that is not standard if I was not getting from a dealer/tuner or someone who knew what they were doing, otherwise the chances of it going bang are quite high.

Having said all this, a properly fitted and setup 70 should be just as reliable as the standard barrel.

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PostPosted: 16:33 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

divuk83 wrote:
Having said all this, a properly fitted and setup 70 should be just as reliable as the standard barrel.


It wil still be putting the crank and end bearings under more stress tho, so while the piston and barrel will be fine, it will increase wear elsewhere in the engine.

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PostPosted: 16:46 - 08 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you put a MHR or a Manston race spec kit on then yes. If you put a cheap, mild tuned, cast iron 70 on its nothing the standard crank can't handle.

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