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Ade
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Presumably you would ban deaf people from the road too? Shocked

I wear them on motorways because the wind hurts my ears. Mixed with a huge amount of clubbing that I do, im in the prime group for hearing problems.

I will happily rely on my eyes a bit more and keep my hearing to an old age Thumbs Up

Its not like they block 100% out anyway, I can usually hear horns and the likes, although much more faintly Smile
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine, if the wind on the motorway hurts your ears that's fine, but if people wear them in the city it's rediculous cause the speed limit is low enough that wind noise should never "legally" appear
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That depends though - some peoples ears are a lot more sensitive than others Smile

Also, when coming off the motorway, should people pull over and take them out? - quite a bit of hassle if its raining and you want to get back home.
Same for getting on - should they pull over as soon as they are on the motorway and put them in?

Wind isnt the only cause of noise sadly, general city noise can be pretty bad in some places Sad

There is just too many factors to go for an out-right ban.

People often forget how much noise protection a car gives you.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just try wearing them and you'll see what effect they have. I can still hear everythign on the road, it just cuts out certian frequencies, making the ride much more relaxed. As said above, its a bit like the noise deadening you get in cars.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:39 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earplugs are actually an aid to road safety as it cuts out wind noise and lets you concentrate fully on what's going on around you.

HTH Smile
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ade wrote:
Presumably you would ban deaf people from the road too? Shocked


While you're at it, why not ban all in-car entertainment systems too? Can't have any of that distracting music going on while you are attempting to concentrate.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:12 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

try them - i wouldn't ride without them - you can still hear everything!!!

they just make it bearable, as most wind noise comes through your skull anyway!!!
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no need to bash me
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i wear them, it actualy helps, cuts out wind noise, can still hear horns, beeps from crossings ect.

also makes my exhaust sound sexual Very Happy
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Re: How can earplugs be legal? Reply with quote

Svedebo wrote:
How much can you actually hear when wearing them?


Substantially more than you can once your hearing has been screwed up by riding around on a noisy stroker revving the tits off it at any available occasion.

Svedebo wrote:
Should be in the city at least


Get out in the countryside - you may find some nice corners, less traffic and better views. That is what biking is about.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 24 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find I can actually hear more with earplugs in. I went out without earplugs the other day for the first time in ages, and all I could hear was wind noise. Put the plugs in an I can hear everything much better - bar wind noise Thumbs Up

I've become that used to wearing them now that I'll walk around for a good few minutes after getting off my bike with them still in Embarassed
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 25 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually always use them unless i'm travelling a short distance at low speeds - i.e. nipping round to the local shops etc.
I find my concentration is greatly improved without a large amount of the wind noise there.
On my first helmet (an AGV), the top of the visor had a wind leak that only appeared at a certain amount of lean - in a straight line it was silent, but mid-bend there would always be a sudden, distracting bit of extra wind-noise that would ruin my concentration, and send me towards the nearest hedge!
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 25 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wore some of my disposable earplugs for the first time today on a ride out. Did about 40 miles and my ears were killing by then. Anything I can do to stop this pain or is it just a case of getting used to them?
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 25 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

St0rmer66 wrote:
I wore some of my disposable earplugs for the first time today on a ride out. Did about 40 miles and my ears were killing by then. Anything I can do to stop this pain or is it just a case of getting used to them?


Try different brands until you find comfy ones. Some fit better than others, some are softer than others, its just a matter of finding the type that will fit the best. Thumbs Up

I can ride all day with mine in no problem.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 25 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I used to use the E.A.R Classic but found them uncomfortable and since I now do more motoway riding I found the 25db SNR rating insufficient, so I'm now trying the E.A.R Soft FX which are very squishy but are rated at 39db SNR, and after 5 mins I hardly notice they're in. I bought them here www.sounddistribution.co.uk/products.asp?category=Motorcycle+Earplugs&subcategory=Earplugs they also do a pix-n-mix multi-pack so you can try different types.

pdf explaining Single Noise Rating (SNR) www.sensorcom.com/pdf/Earplug_ratings_NNR_SNR_sensorcom.pdf
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 25 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

By far the best earplugs are Laser Lites.

The Red and Yellow coloured ones that look like the old fashioned Rhubarb and Custard sweets. Thumbs Up

They got decent attenuation, and are nice and soft and very comfy.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 25 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just cant imagine wearing ear plugs at all, i think i would find them very distracting, i dont have any problems with noise at all and dont find it at all uncomfortable (see the helmet thread) i payed £50 for my lid and find it cuts out a lot of the noise anyway.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 26 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mooncatt wrote:
i just cant imagine wearing ear plugs at all, i think i would find them very distracting, i dont have any problems with noise at all and dont find it at all uncomfortable (see the helmet thread) i payed £50 for my lid and find it cuts out a lot of the noise anyway.


Yeah I used to think like that. Now I know better because as I sit here typing I have a very high-pitched whistle that never, ever goes away.

You know if you watch tv programs like casualty where they have to use the de-fib machine to jump-start someone's heart, and whilst it's charging up it makes a climbing whistleing noise? Well the highest-pitch that machine makes is what tinitus sounds like but 100% of the time.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 26 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mooncatt wrote:
I just cant imagine wearing ear plugs at all...


I don't mean to doubt you but it does depend on the speeds you are doing. At 75mph the wind noise is around 100-110db, the safety limit for your hearing is 80db, after 20 mins at 100-110db you will experience hearing damage. It doesn't happen after one noisy ride though, it's a very slow break-down of the sensory hairs in the inner-ear that are damaged, you might not notice the damage intially but it will occur. Obviously if you were to ride a 50cc scooter around the city centre at sub 30mph for 10mins/day then the noise isn't an issue; either because of noise level, or duration.

Consider ear-plugs as you would suntan lotion, you can go out in the sun but you'll only last 20 mins before you burn if you use SPF15 you can stay out for an hour before you burn, or need to reapply lotion. Earplugs work the same way, you can ride at 100db but after 20 mins your hearing begins to "burn" ride all day experiencing those noise levels and you will eventually lose your hearing or suffer other hearing related difficulties.

I'm not advocating that people go and spend even more money on "stuff" they don't really need, I mean biking can be as expensive enough as it is. But I would say that if you are going to ride a speeds above 60/70mph which generates wind noise in excess of the safe limit of 80db then you really should wear ear-plugs for those journeys.

PS> If you ride at the safe noise limit of 80db, you're only safe for 8 hours after that damage also occurs.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 26 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would swear by Moldex earplugs. I'm a musician and sound engineer so need to protect my ears, and they are great. I can hear road noises (horns, sirens etc.) but wind noise is massively reduced. Makes cruising at 60 in the country no struggle and prevents bus and lorry noise from giving me a headache in the city. Never caused me a problem, you just keep your wits about you and ride safely and it is a huge help.

Wouldn't ride without them now!
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 26 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW if you ride around London you'll be subjected to damage-causing noise levels from traffic. Buses have been measured at well over the safety limit for example.
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 26 May 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

All bike cops are given ear plugs as standard, and when I did the Bikesafe course, they advised us all to use them, in fact we got a free pair in our pack.

Me and the other half have plug ear phones so we can combine ear plugs with being able to hear music. Personally I don't know how I managed on long journeys before I started listening to my MP3 player, but I guess thats a whole new topic! Very Happy
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