Political Rant

McJamweasel · BCF Junkie Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Karma :

Oh. My. God.

Ive just been watching FOX news on Sky(yes, I am very bored) and I cant believe how stupid the Americans are. Its all this (and I quote) Target:Iraq bollocks!! I really cant believe that they are considering going in to try and 'remove' Saddam. Its precisely this kind of crap that caused the WTC attacks. The trouble is that Mr Blair is too stupid to realise that if he joins in then similar things will happen in this country as well. You cannot fight a war on terrorism. The whole point of terrorism is that its underground and you never know how/when/where the next attack will occur.

I dont think that these people have considered what will happen with Saddams Nuclear(?), chemical and biological weapons if we do go in? Do they think that they will dissapear? Or do they think that Saddam wont use them? He will. If America move in then he will not hesitate to use them; after all, what would he have to lose??

And where are the UN in all of this? Surely what the US is proposing is illegal. So why isnt the UN doing something about it? Oh, its because they are under Bush's thumb, just as Blair is.

Its bollocks. We cant stop America doing this but surely we can stop Blair making the mistake as well. After all, this is a democracy(isnt it?) and he is our ELECTED leader.

I think that enough for now. I just needed to get that off my chest.

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Demonic69 · The Pink Rhino Joined: 31 May 2002 Karma :

Bush and Blair couldn't care less if we were all wiped out by some nasty disease of Saddam's! They'll both be cuddled up under that huuuge mountain in the US breathing clean re-cycled air and making dry love to one-another. Even if we did win it would be the greatest loss this world's ever known. The UK wouldn't stand up to any one of Saddam's little nuke/chem bombs.
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TiN · Pocket Tin Joined: 14 Feb 2002 Karma :

It is kinda archaic how they (our "leaders") think that they can destroy an army/organisation by simply assassinating their "leader" Confused

Maybe it worked in King Arthur's realm, but not nowadays! Evil or Very Mad

...so what if Saddam or Bin Laden were killed, would that end (the so-called) terrorism?... Rolling Eyes

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*COUGH

You think Bush actually can tell the difference between his thumb and toe????
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Dylan · Trackday Trickster Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

I dont think saddam actually has the means to fire weopons any way near close to England, let alone USA.

Joe Camel · Nova Slayer Joined: 19 Jul 2002 Karma :

Do you think that if ANY fanatical terrorist, ie saddam / bin laden, and for the older readers , gaddaffi, idi amin, had the capability they would hesitate to use it ?? of course they would use it. SEPT 11th anyone ?? Evil or Very Mad

Chinese proverb.
Rather than solving the problem, remove the cause of it, the problem then goes away, and also the need to find a solution.

You cant talk about Blair in the same breath as ANY US president, in my opinion Blair is one step short of a puppet for the EEC. And before anyone says it I AM NOT PRO USA> I JUST ADMIRE THIER PATRIOTISM
Millions died in two world wars to stop Germany ruling Europe. now Blair wants to hand our beloved england over to the BELGIANS , who in turn are diected by the German economy, dont get me wrong, I have nothing against Germans, french, italians, anybody really, but I'm English, proud of it, and I say if you want to be a european, then F**k off to the other side of that 22 miles of water that has kept every invading force off our shores since 1066.

OH yes, back to the point, I say nuke Saddam, remove the cancer that is known as religious terrorism and lets all party on his grave.

HAH ! Evil or Very Mad

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zaknafien · Joined: 25 Mar 2002 Karma :

here here.
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McJamweasel · BCF Junkie Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Karma :

Sorry my bald friend but I just dont think that will work.
Im sure thats what the Romans thought when they strung up big J.C and look whats happened there.

I really dont see that as being the way to go.
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Tom... · Guest

Well... If new intel is anything to go by, the Iraqi's are planning to fight the 'american infidels' in built up urban areas, black hawk down down down in Basra anyone? Laughing

:ahem:
The other option is known as the 'Basra breakout' (A name worthy of a Hollywood movie lmao) by the Americans, the Iraqi's fire a Scud or two laden with NBC warheads at Coalation forces in Kuwait, then make a break for the capital and entrench themselves in all the buildings for urban warfare... long, bloody drawn out war!
Ummm... the point... oh yes, Bush is a retard, a symbol of most americans, the UN cannot act against the USA, nor can the EU, as that means a mini war with the US, they might not be all that bright, and their smart bombs might only be as smart as Bush himself, but I doubt anyone is gonna fuck with em.
If this country goes along with the usa not only will that mean I have to go out there (In the TA), but also alienates this country in regards to mainland Europe (MY VOTE TO A EUROPEAN DEFENCE FORCE, PERSONALLY GETTING SICK OF THIS COUNTRY PUTTING ITS TROOPS, I.E. ME, IN SITUATIONS WHICH THE USA IS TOO COWARDLY TO PUT ITS OWN TROOPS) makes this country a BIGGER target than the USA to all those Arabs who hate the west (right now they view the USA as the prime target, and see it as a nation which has corrupted europe and have not targetted this nation thus far).
As for terrorists in this country, lets just say Islam is the fastest growing religion in the World, so where you gonna run? Where you gonna hide? No where! They are already here ('they' being the 'terrorists' not the peaceful muslims, nothing against them!), terrorists are just regular guys\girls who wake up and decide to take part in a terrorist act, only these muslim terrorists see their death as the ultimate goal in these acts.
Thank bhudda the IRA aren't thinking the same way or we'd all be gonna's.

Conclusion: Bush is a retard trying to finish what he dad started and didn't have the balls to finish, CNN and Fox news are tainted with pro USA bull shit, Blair needs to get his act together and quit jumping scooby snack stylie to Bushes commands, and... the MOD needs to get better rifles for us cuz my ass is gonna get shot up if that fucking sa80 jams up in a balls out firefight. Terrorists see no other option but commit these acts to make a point, if the USA hadn't left the Afgans the way they did, and had set up bases in Saudi, would there be an Al Qaeda? They reap what they sowed a decade ago, this country shouldnt make the same mistake.

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McJamweasel · BCF Junkie Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Karma :

hear hear.

Something occures to me while I was at work.

Bush is all into democracy. Right?

Then why is he trying to force the western, no, the american viewpoint and culture on the rest of the world? With armed action? Surely thats just the way of the dictator(a bit like god but thats for another day). In a way hes worse than saddam cuz hes playing at world dictator.

Just a thought....
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andrew · Mister Road Rage Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

andrew · Mister Road Rage Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

Oh sorry wanted to add something to my last post.....

The problem we have now is that if we were to attack IRAQ we have all the extremists over here that will start causing problems and MR Blair doesnt see that letting more over here i.e. asylum seekers is adding to the problem, fair enough we cant leave genuine asylum seekers out in the cold but he should be looking at his own countried welfare and anyone seen to be threatening with support of IRAQ or what happend in New York should be deported *straight* away.

Oh and to say that the Americans are too scared to put their own troops in situations that British troops are put into is *so* untrue, at this moment in time the Americans are the closest allies and we've got to support them.
The Americans have been there when this country was close to defeat so start showing them some respect ffs.

On a completley different note has anybody noticed whats happening in Zimbabwe other than 2 mins a day on the news you dont hear sh*t about the farmers that are being forced off their land and out of their homes some of them have been living there for 40 years, i think not giving them our support is a fuc*ki*ng disgrace.

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minesweeper · Whoah there! Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

iraq doesnt have the capability to delivery a payload of nuclear weapon or chemical weapons by range to europe or us. Anything fire from the country could be tracked and brought down over some small east european country no one minds about Rolling Eyes

The only real danger is a poor mans nuke, or a direct infection using chemical weapons in the uk, not exactly hard to get a suitcase into the country.

The world would most likely be better off with out saddam but personly i think the only reason iraq is being targetted now is to move focus from the utter failure of the afganistan conflict. Estimates place the troops needed to invade iraq at 3 million plus over 3000 air attacks! sorry dont think america as a whole has he faintest idea what its getting it self in for.

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andrew · Mister Road Rage Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

A world culture well what do you think getting rid of extremists and religous terrorists and replacing them with democracy and an enviroment where citizens can live how they want, is trying to create??

And yes America has made mistakes before, but they are indeed our allies the definiton of allies is "To unite or connect in a personal relationship, as in friendship or marriage" id class the relationship between Britian and America just that.

At the time of WW2 America had around 10,400,000 troops of them around 230,000 were killed and 700,000 were injured so dont sit there and tell me they dont support us, losing that number of men and women is all the support we should ever need to be shown.

I apreciate that it will be hard to stop if action is taken against Iraq but if action isnt taken now it *will* be too late 10 years down the line when hes picking off targets with weapons of mass destruction.

Oh and i was using Nike trainers as an example!

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Demonic69 · The Pink Rhino Joined: 31 May 2002 Karma :

Since when did the Americans "Help" in WW2??? They got shaken into it by the Japanese. They would've sat quietly and observed if it weren't for Pearl Harbour. They faught very few Germans during the entire war.

9/11 was their problem, but we still had to intervene in Afghanistan. I don't recall seeing many yanks over in Ireland kicking IRA butt?
If there's gonna be a legitmate war it should be the UN and all supporting countries Vs. Saddam. Not just as US/UK crusade to tackle a leader who hasn't made any significant moves to upset us recently.

And NEVER underestimate the enemy. Hitler underestimated the Russians and to an extent the Brits. Japan underestimated America's nuclear capability.
Sayin Saddam doesn't have the capability is just inviting the 1st plague ridden bomb to be dropped in the middle of the UK.

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McJamweasel · BCF Junkie Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Karma :

If your going to talk statistics for WW2 then Ive got some for ya.
The yanks peak size of armed forces was 16,400,000. They lost 292,000. Thats less than 2%.
Our peak size was 4,700,000 and we lost 420,000, or 9%.
And dont forget that for the 2 years the US was out of the war there wasnt much fighting on the western front.
The yanks had a small part to play in the western theatre.

All of this is besides the point anyway. We should not support the US in this action simply because it is wrong and will lead to nothing but more terrorist attacks.
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Tom... · Guest

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Also would Bush step down on the grounds that the world community thought he was incompetant to be Commander and Cheif of the US NBC arsenal?? I think not.
They dont like being asked to sign up to treaties as mediocre as Kyoto (which is supposed to benifit future generations) let alone be dictated to regarding any other matter.

Bush has already said if its 'allies' dont go with them to Bagdad, then they will go it alone. Remmember, if your not with them, your against them. Typical shite out of the donkeys mouth.