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gmanxiii
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: fibreglass and all that jazz Reply with quote

Just wondering whilst looking for new fairings ive come across different terms or materials used to make them. Whats the difference between them all or are some plastics the same stuff just named differently?
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Fibreglass (GRP) is matting made from glass molded in with resin. Can be quite strong an light, and cheap to tool up for. Finish is unlikely to be as good as original plastics (and the inside is unlikely to be finshed at all well).

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PostPosted: 18:07 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool thanks for that, is it generally as strong?
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gmanxiii wrote:
cool thanks for that, is it generally as strong?




From the experiance ive had working with fibreglass (and the resin) id say it would be stronger than original plastics.

But as keith said the finish wont be as "neat" and professional looking.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brill thats great Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As above, quite likely to be stronger. And if it cracks it is likely to be localised.

Can be very light if vacuum bagged (ie, put the mold with the matting and resin in a bag, sucking most of the resin out).

Its strength is largely down to its shape. The matting is the main source of strength and that pretty much only resists forces by tension. Compress it and it bends easily, same if you twist it. Idea is that when encased in resin any force is pulling hard against the matting, trying to stretch it.

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PostPosted: 18:38 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you ever talk to people who have fitted race fairings then you will understand the differences.

Basically the proper genuine fairings are made from a quality kind of plastic that is perfectly formed, can be made with nice edges and looks the part inside and out - but they are quite expensive to produce. On the upside they require no reworking and are ready to paint and tend to be a top notch fit.

Your cheaper fairings (such as fibre glass race fairings) are basically copies made out of a slightly different material. The upside is that they are cheap to tool up and produce, but the downside is that you can only mould one quality side, ie the inside will never be smooth and things like the panel edges can be a bit hit and miss due to the very nature of thin fibreglass panels. Also a lot of these copies don't fit very well without a lot of work to make them right.

At the end of the day you get what you pay for and that is why people use the cheap fibre glass fairings on the track as they are easily replaced or repaired, well a lot more so than a genuine plastic fairing.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
Basically the proper genuine fairings ....................... - but they are quite expensive to produce.


Ironically, not really true. Making the patterns for the injection molded plastic fairings is expensive (very expensive), but once that has been done they can be churned out in massive numbers for peanuts.

The opposite is true for GRP. Molds are cheap to make, but there is a hell of a lot of manual work to be done to get a finished item from those molds.

Surprised that non of the big bike makers supply raw plastic fairings cheaply. They can certainly produce them, and it would make sense for older bikes holding a single generic part in stock rather than several dozen in different colour schemes.

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PostPosted: 19:16 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Ironically, not really true...

Surprised that non of the big bike makers supply raw plastic fairings cheaply. They can certainly produce them, and it would make sense for older bikes holding a single generic part in stock rather than several dozen in different colour schemes.


I realise that they aren't actually that expensive to churn out and I didn't put it across very well, but I was thinking of the bigger picture such as the costs of the original design, then the making of the pattern molds etc, before being able to churn them out. I have no doubt that buying a genuine plastic fairing from a bike dealer isn't exactly good value for money.

As for the big bike manufacturers not supplying raw plastic fairings cheaply then surely they would be slitting their own throats by doing so. As it is at the minute they have got a captive market as if you want a decent quality replacement panel then you more or less have to buy it from the main dealer and pay the prices they dictate. If they produced a cheaper priced range of the panels made from the same mold then they would never sell any expensive ones and bike dealers/manufacturers must make a huge profit from their genuine parts sales. It is also likely that they make more percentage profit from the parts sales and service workshop than they do from the sales of new bikes.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 23 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

They make money, but they also give up selling spares for bikes at a fairly young age. Especially plastics that have a large number of bulky examples all of which are slow moving.

And with the cost of plastics anything a decade of so old would be written off by insurance on the cost of plastics long before Howasakisuzamaha got a sniff of the money.

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