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PostPosted: 02:12 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Your View On Police Car and Motorbike Chases Reply with quote

I was watching road wars tonight, and they showed a few clips of traffics chasing motorbikes.

And the one thing all the videos had in common were, there was a fatal accident at the end were the motorcyclists was injured seriously.

Now lets put aside the rider and his back ground, for all we know he could of stolen the bike, or was just a regular rider who filtered through traffic and decided to take a runner when the police indicated for him to stop just becuase he's a bit stupid *cough* LukeVFR *cough*

The policemen sometimes do not know what kind of character the rider is during a chase bear in mind.

But what particularly intrigued me was after one of the accidents, the police men ran up to the rider to check he was OK (obviously) BUT THEN began to be very sympathetic, and re-assuring to the rider that an ambulance was due to the scene, almost as if they felt partly to blame to of caused the accident!

If your were an officer, were would you draw the line for you to pull the plug on a chase before something serious happens like so.

Would you feel guilt if that man was seriously paralyzed? Or do you feel that its a small price to pay to take a criminal or just a general idiot off the road.

How about taking into consideration members of the public that could be involved in incident which caused the Rider to crash, what about innocent by standers?

Now i know our Police force cant be no push over, what kind of a deterant is that?!

I personally feel as if i was provoking a criminal or an idiot to act more like a danger to himself or others around him, I'd let it go there and then, and rather conduct more a small investigation to find the rider of the bike.

Its a big price to pay for an idiots move, taking in the implications for paralysis etc
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PostPosted: 03:00 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: Your View On Police Car and Motorbike Chases Reply with quote

FIRE_NSR wrote:
I was watching road wars tonight, and they showed a few clips of traffics chasing motorbikes.

And the one thing all the videos had in common were, there was a fatal accident at the end were the motorcyclists was injured seriously.

Now lets put aside the rider and his back ground, for all we know he could of stolen the bike, or was just a regular rider who filtered through traffic and decided to take a runner when the police indicated for him to stop just becuase he's a bit stupid *cough* LukeVFR *cough*

The policemen sometimes do not know what kind of character the rider is during a chase bear in mind.

But what particularly intrigued me was after one of the accidents, the police men ran up to the rider to check he was OK (obviously) BUT THEN began to be very sympathetic, and re-assuring to the rider that an ambulance was due to the scene, almost as if they felt partly to blame to of caused the accident!

If your were an officer, were would you draw the line for you to pull the plug on a chase before something serious happens like so.

Would you feel guilt if that man was seriously paralyzed? Or do you feel that its a small price to pay to take a criminal or just a general idiot off the road.

How about taking into consideration members of the public that could be involved in incident which caused the Rider to crash, what about innocent by standers?

Now i know our Police force cant be no push over, what kind of a deterant is that?!

I personally feel as if i was provoking a criminal or an idiot to act more like a danger to himself or others around him, I'd let it go there and then, and rather conduct more a small investigation to find the rider of the bike.

Its a big price to pay for an idiots move, taking in the implications for paralysis etc


I thought in general most police wont persue a bike for more than the first 30 seconds or so (to see if they will just quickly give in), unless he is extremely dangerous obviously. I seriously doubt most bike chases end in serious injury and fatal accidents, actually I'd say most end in the police car backing off or being left in the bikes dust and calling to the riders home that evening to deliver a summons.

As for the police helping the guy, the police aren't just there to arrest criminals, if they see the guy injured in the road their primary duty is to help him and get him to hospital. I doubt they felt guilty that he crashed doing something stupid, and which they wanted and were trying to stop him doing, but they certainly would have if they had neglected their duty to help him. But I do think all bike chases should be banned (by law) except to get close enough to get their plate and give the rider a chance to pull over in a safe place, unless obviouly the rider has commited a serious crime or is going to commit further crimes. Fair chance though, is quite vague, but cant be applied in all situations, for example a guy driving away on dark twisty roads might go for quite a few miles before stopping as you'd want to stop somewhere safe like a straight, but however the cop cant know whether he is just looking for a straight to stop safely on, or if he is pushing the guy to run in the worst possible place to drive fast and dangerously!
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PostPosted: 03:06 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: Your View On Police Car and Motorbike Chases Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:

As for the police helping the guy, the police aren't just there to arrest criminals, if they see the guy injured in the road their primary duty is to help him and get him to hospital.


While training to be a cop here.

The first rule is to preserve life Wink

And the reason they wont show alot of bike chases is they are saving that for a spin off show "The Ones That Got Away" Wink
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PostPosted: 05:28 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny I've just mentioned Dave on another thread. Dave was being followed by a Police car (and therefore riding uncharacteristicly slowly) when he got hit by a car head on.

Actions of the officers at the scence got air ambulance out there and limited the injuries Daves pillion suffered.

They arent always bastards.


However, if someone is going to run from the Police then they are choosing to put themselves and others at hazard. They arent being 'made' to do anything - they are choosing to do it and they can't complain about the consequences.

I know its hard to watch, I usually spend those shows ranting at the television.
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

FIRE_NSR wrote:
there was a fatal accident at the end were the motorcyclists was injured seriously.


FYI, fatal means they died.

Police have to chase little fuckers on bikes, can't just let them get away with it. If they die it's a risk they took when they ran.

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PostPosted: 08:00 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:

Police have to chase little fuckers on bikes, can't just let them get away with it.




IME, they mostly do let them get away with it*, as chasing bikes/quads can be relatively risky**.







*While seeking "alternative" means of dealing with the rider/machine.

**For the rider, for the public nearby and for the officers involved or nearby at the time of an incident.
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coppers should use stingers on 'em.

If you're stupid enough to try and outrun the cops on a bike, then you deserve to be listed on this website.
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know essex police has a no pursuit policy for bikes. it has good points and bad though (good = less chance of injury and the car probably wouldnt catch the bike anyway, bad = criminals get away and make us all look bad)
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they run fuck em, their choice, if they have an accident then leave them at the side of the road.

Why pussyfoot about, they made the choice to run that should equate to them throwing all their legal rights away, if they don't stop knock them off.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: Your View On Police Car and Motorbike Chases Reply with quote

I don't think the police should back off because a rider or driver may be putting themselves in danger. If anything, that's more of a reason to actually stop them.

If they are putting other members of the public in danger, it's another question - but then do you want it becoming common-knowledge that if you put the public in danger, the police will stop chasing (this is the message I've got from quite a few 'cops' shows).

Then of course, recently someone put a link up to a case where a policeman I believe killed someone and maybe themselves and the program had the affront to claim it was the bike rider that 'caused' it - when the bike rider obviously had the skill to perform the manoeuvres he was without causing danger, while the police person did not.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon Police should have long pieces of ropes and hook it round a bikers neck when it pursuit, like the cowboys. Yeehaa!
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i reckon it should be down to the discretion of the police officer giving chase whether he/she should back off nor not, at the end of the day these scroats shouldnt be allowed to get away with it giving us all a bad name !!

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PostPosted: 09:46 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: Your View On Police Car and Motorbike Chases Reply with quote

G wrote:
I don't think the police should back off because a rider or driver may be putting themselves in danger...

If they are putting other members of the public in danger, it's another question


Agreed. Thumbs Up

But the problem is, if the Rider/Driver "Runs" then, unless they are litterally in the Middle of Nowhere, there is a potential for putting others at risk.

At what point is the "Do I?", "Don't I?" (in relation to the Feds) decision made?

Maybe someone like JohnnyGSXR can elaborate.


bambam wrote:
i reckon it should be down to the discretion of the police officer giving chase whether he/she should back off nor not


I thought it was...

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Maybe someone like JohnnyGSXR can elaborate.


Again.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

well obviously it is but i would imagine a lot of them will give chase and not stop till they catch the loon on the bike, where as they dont really have to, like someone previously mentioned, just get the number plate and get the loon later !!
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless the bike is stolen, or similar - in which case they let the thief get away and probably bring more grief to the person who's had the bike stolen.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

good point..........in which case the phrase "ride it like you stole it" would be most fitting !! Razz
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are rules that police have to stick to when initiating a chase

i dont know them, but one is that if the speed goes above a certain point in a built up area, they have to just stop chasing

the hardened crims know this, so just get to that speed as quickly as possible
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 29 Jun 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imo chase them within safe limits/speeds, when more controlled circumstance arrives, rip the feckers off, and bust em.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 30 Jun 2007    Post subject: Re: Your View On Police Car and Motorbike Chases Reply with quote

FIRE_NSR wrote:
But what particularly intrigued me was after one of the accidents, the police men ran up to the rider to check he was OK (obviously) BUT THEN began to be very sympathetic, and re-assuring to the rider that an ambulance was due to the scene, almost as if they felt partly to blame to of caused the accident!

I think that's probably down to their training, you know first aid wise you have to reassure the casualty etc... sometimes coppers are better people than you and me because they are vocational in motivation, I for one couldn't do their job.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you run from the police, you deserve to be chased & if you crash then you deserve that too.
I don't feel any sympathy for a criminal although I do think the police/ambulance should help them so that they're alive to serve out jail time!

Why should the police back off because they're worried the rider will hurt themselves or an innocent road user or by stander? If the rider is willing to run from the police then they're obviously not safe road users so they'll most likely cause a serious accident some other time!

I think the punishment is too soft for "twocers".
I think a system similar to a student loan should be introduced. Students have money taken off their wages to pay off their student loan, criminals should have the same system, an insurance company can pay the victim then they claim their money back from the criminals from their wages & if they don't have a job then they send baliffs round to reclaim any belongings they have that are valuable.

The same should be done when cars are impounded, don't crush them, auction them off & put the money back into the police force to catch more criminals.

The majoirty of us pay our road Tax, MOT, Insurance & obey the rules of the road (most of the time & within reason) & we save hard to buy a nice bike rather than steal someone else's. Police should be given the power to serve out harsher punishment for people who try to short cut their way to a fast bike (i.e. stealing one!)

Sorry, rant over!
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

duncanpage wrote:

criminals should have the same system, an insurance company can pay the victim then they claim their money back from the criminals from their wages & if they don't have a job then they send baliffs round to reclaim any belongings they have that are valuable.




There's an obvious flaw there ^ somewhere .... Idea Wink
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Re: Your View On Police Car and Motorbike Chases Reply with quote

McGee wrote:
And the reason they wont show alot of bike chases is they are saving that for a spin off show "The Ones That Got Away" Wink

Which is apparently about 2/3rd of the riders....
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PostPosted: 23:41 - 01 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
I reckon Police should have long pieces of ropes and hook it round a bikers neck when it pursuit, like the cowboys. Yeehaa!


I never heard a more stupid idea.

Because of the crash helmet the rope would need a very large loop.
Ever tried throwing a large loop of rope over someone wearing a crash helmet whilst hanging out the window of a car which is traveling at over 60-70 MPH? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are three things the police like to do - eat, read porn and chase motorists. Nothing raises a tent in the serge faster than the old 'blues & twos'... I have this on authority from a very drunken copper mate, so it must be true...

If one removes the possibility of a chase from the policeman's day, he/she will have to eat more and look at more porn to compensate. We would end up with a force of overweight, myopic individuals incapable of going out and catching real criminals to the detriment of society as a whole.

Keep the chase I say.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 02 Jul 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you run, prepare to be chased and accept the full consequences.
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