i am absolutel enraged

[scorps]

unferking believable

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[iooi]

I was under the impression that it was not the police who said yay or nay to taking to court, but the CPS.
As one of the responses said, get writing a letter of complaint to all and sundry about it.
Might just weed out who the driver knows......
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[deanoet]

No disrespect at all to the driver meant.

But i am not surprised, it is the way that the UK is going, it was an accident, they didnt mean to do it. Doesnt detract from the fact they did do it, it wasnt mechanical failure, it was just SMIDSY.

Can see both sides of the arguement, and it does depend what side of the fence you are on.

From the side of the rider, it is horrible any injuries sustained that are life changing arent nice, and my heart goes out to them. Saying that, a road is a dangerous place, always has been, always will be.

From the side of the driver, it is a case of, sorry, didnt see you. Should we punish for accidents? Should we only punish for accidents where the other party gets seriously injured? It turns into a "do you feel lucky" game, which would be any better?

In the same accident the rider could have landed differently, gone over the car, etc etc and got up, and walked off.

It is where you draw the line.


For the record i 100% agree with you, a 2 day course is rediculous, 1 day after passing her test, i would be questioning how short her skirt was and how satisfied the examiner was TBH. Mistake or not, it has changed someones life. Changing her life as punishment? for an accident? depends on the side of the fence.
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[colin1]

it doesnt reach the cps if the police decide not pursue it

needless to say, i think the victim should sue, but i dont think the inattentive woman driver should be on the road

but shes not the only one

wherever possible we should be aware that an inattentive woman driver could swipe us

i tend to pap my horn if i suspect someone to be asleep at the wheel or hasnt seen me, even before they have done anything wrong

prevention is better than cure

alerts other road users of my presence as the higway code puts it
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[kawakid]

And they jailed the bloke for 10 weeks who got done for speeding at 172mph.

Its just not right.
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[colin1]

yeah thats a good point

they punish those who are potentially dangerous, but those who are actually dangerous and have hurt people, get away as its not seen as a dramatic event where someone can be shown to be very much at fault

its more about punishing someone for doing something shocking, rather than punishing someone for the result of their actions
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[iooi]

[kawakid]

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[Gazdaman]

Wonder if this bloke will push for theft charges against his ability to string together a sentence that makes sense.

"Followed by months of physiotherapy which will be on going for a long time."

Anyway, I see the police's point. I bet this bloke on the bike roared away from the lights aswell. Granted, the girl was in the wrong, and maybe she should have been charged with driving without due care and attention and been slapped with some points.

But I don't think she needs to be hung. I think this illustrates the point of needing to drive/ride defensively aswell. Another point would be that if this was a car, it would have been a harmless bump, with no police involved. It's a risk we take riding a bike.

Gaz

[mark83]

Who the FUCK makes the laws in this country?!!

If that was my son/mate/dad/loved one, I would march to parliament square and demand to speak to Gordon fucking Brown.

Don't you people realise? The government doesn't jail speeding drivers and let airheads like that bitch get away with it because of its view on justice, it does it because it acts to score political points.

What makes me even more angry is that my mate is out in Afghanistan dodging bullets for these wankers.
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[TUG]

are you fucking serious!!!?? the guys disabled because our fuckin tests are too easy in cars! they make bike tests harder and we are the ones who get hit by the lack of fucking knowlegde and basic skills!!! am fucking sick of this country, theres just no fucking point living here anymore we might aswell all move to fucking burma! so if i get hit and killed are they gunna make sure that person gets great mental help to deal with the image of me on the fucking floor bleeding everywhere in so many peices because they cant stay on their fucking side of the road? i actually feel sick, this country is pathetic!
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[Noxious89123]

[TUG]

i think its time that all of us in this country demand better policing and better NHS or else we might aswell all fucking move abroad, in his post he says wigan, now i may be wrong but he is one of my own on the usual trip to southport route, what about if that was me for fuck sake, there just is no justice in this fucking country unless its to do with not paying fuckin road tax or insurance or speeding, if you speed at 170 you get 10 weeks, not a fuckin 2 day course!!!!! thats fuckin rediculous, sod the thick bitch ban her for life!!!
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[nick606]

I'm quite shocked at this really, stupid bitch should watch where shes going

and i hope the biker makes a full recovery in time. Also its great knowing what my police force in my town would do if i got knocked off my bike.

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[Ben.]

words cannot describe how pissed off i am
if that happened to me i can assure you that action with a shotgun would be taken.
So the poor bloke's life is ruined, he cant walk, get dressed, do fuck all and all the driver gets is a fucking 2 day training and its back to her merry old life. The police couldn't give a flying fuck.
If someone disabled me, and expected me to sit there and not do anything would have a big supprise, they would be chained to my basement while i broke their legs ands arms, absolute fucking wankers.
Imagine losing your legs on the way to work tomorrow, and then everyone carrying on as if everything was fine. Imagine losing your way of life.
To be honest i couldn't give a shit if she was sorry or not, i'lld kill her, and then driving instructer that passed her, then the police for doing fuck all, as well as anyone who thought oo its ok some money will compensate for his legs. Whats the worst that going to happen, you'll go to prison, well fuck it your life is already bolloxed up.
You just took my leg and arm away so ditto for you is my opinion.

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[TUG]

i might print this off an go down to the local police station and demand action to be taken anyone up for this?
am fuckin pissed off that much am actualy swearing to myself, im disgusted to call myself british!!!!!!! "GREAT" Britain? my fuckin wanks are greater than this country.
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[G]

Lets say she did the same thing, but the biker managed to swerve around her. Should she still be punished just as harshly - she hasn't done anything different?
This sort of thing is something I see on a daily basis and 99.9% of the time nothing comes of it and no one is shouting for prosecution.
How many people can seriously say that at some time in their time on the roads they have not at some point done something that could have caused a nasty accident if some unlikely other event meant there was another vehicle there?

The insurance pay-out is there to compensate the victim for his injuries. Can't see the driver being punished helping the victim or making the roads any safer with her not behind the wheel and with massive insurance premiums after.

What I see as the counter argument to the above is that punishment would send a message out to others that might make them thing a bit more.

[Ben.]

[TUG]

they could use this in court to defend an offender that is older, by saying " this court has persicuted my client as the case of "insert name or number here" wasnt even punished by court of law, mearly by her age and the date she passed her test".
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[TUG]

We as the public of britain cannot even protect ourselves as its against the law, but the people we pay cant even do the jobs we have given them!
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[Ben.]

[Ben.]

[Kickstart]

Hi

The law is intended to punish for the offence, not the fairly random effects of the offence.

She was driving without due care and attention, possibly dangerous driving (although I think that might need evidence of prior knowledge of the possible effects of their actions). For due care and attention she would have got a nominal fine / penalty. Probably what should have happened, although for all we know the driver could have spent the last 6 months wearing a hug yourself jacket in a padded room.

Granted there is a massive discrepancy between speeding penalties and others. And the whole thing seems to be treated as a game by the police at times.

All the best

Keith
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