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I read that earlier on today.
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He turned the way he did living in London, going to school in London, joining the gangs in London, etc, so why should Italy accept him, when they've done nothing to make him into what he is. He doesn't even speak the language and has no real ties there. I doubt Italy would even have him.
If he didn't have that piece of paper going for an Italian passport, this question wouldn't even arise, as he'd be staying anyway, as a British citizen. Mrs Lawrence couldn't then make this spurious claim of having her human rights infringed.
I think that by deporting him, his human rights would be infringed by far more than Mrs Lawrence's by allowing him to stay. Like it or not, he's served his sentence and, therefore, is deemed to have paid his debt to society. ____________________ My other bike's a Monster...  |
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| Paivi wrote: | He turned the way he did living in London, going to school in London, joining the gangs in London, etc, so why should Italy accept him, when they've done nothing to make him into what he is.
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A valid point, I must confess.
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He doesn't even speak the language and has no real ties there. I doubt Italy would even have him.
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Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this particular case - therein lies the crux of the matter for me. I see - on a daily basis - countless criminals/morons/etc allowed to stay in this country because their mother countries won't accept them, despite being signed up to all the same international conventions as us.
As a general point, I'm inclined to believe that it isn't so much EU legislation that is wrong, it's the way that our government and judicial system choose to implement it. After all, every other country seems to pretty much do what they want ref. immigration, or BSE, or strikes, or blockading ports, etc.
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If he didn't have that piece of paper going for an Italian passport, this question wouldn't even arise, as he'd be staying anyway, as a British citizen. Mrs Lawrence couldn't then make this spurious claim of having her human rights infringed.
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I think it's a little rich to call it a spurious claim. Her husband has been killed by a foreign national, your earlier (and accurate) comments not withstanding, she is entitled under law to expect him to be deported. The valid arguments you raised above have not even been entered into by the AIT, they have solely based their judgement on his 'right' to family life - something that he has taken away from another family irrevocably. Hence, the law is an ass, because it has placed his desires over those of the victim - and probably those of society in general.
Call me cynical, but I doubt very much that he will emerge from prison a well-rounded and caring individual, who will devote the rest of his life to atoning for his crime.
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I think that by deporting him, his human rights would be infringed by far more than Mrs Lawrence's by allowing him to stay. Like it or not, he's served his sentence and, therefore, is deemed to have paid his debt to society. |
He's nowhere near having served his Life sentence, he is simply up for parole next year after serving the minimum term. Bearing in mind the current prison population, he is likely to find his parole expedited.
Quite frankly, I don't believe that his 'right' to live with his family in this country outweighs the public's right to be shot of murdering fuckwits. ____________________ >Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
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| cestrian wrote: | So marching/demonstrating, writing letters, complaining on internet forums, complaining directly to your MP and (for some) praying seems to have no affect at all. Apart from Redliners suggestion of direct action we have no idea of how to force change.
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Sometimes, I don't know why I bother.
This topic has been done to death, and yet people are still talking arse about it.
Complaining to your MP can and does affect their actions, which in turn affects how they vote, which in turn affects the outcome of new legislation. The key thing is that such things need enough support - if your idea isn't popular, then it doesn't get implemented!
The same goes for people who take part in grassroots party activity - they are the ones putting the MP's in power, so they are listened to, and thus help shape policy! Even agitating for the BNP has an effect; even though they will never, ever become the governing party, the moderate levels of support they have demonstrated in some areas have forced other parties/MP's to adjust their views and attitudes to compete. You can see a similar effect with the Tories at the moment - New Labour keep stealing their policies and thus their thunder, but I don't care because it means that we are getting the policies we want - you don't always need to win an election to get a result.
Educated middle-class liberals tend to take more interest in politics than most of us, hence we see huge amounts of legislation generated with their wishes in mind.
People often want to do something easy like sign a petition, or go on a quick march, but it's meaningless if there are more people working harder to further the opposite school of thought.
Coordinated political action is what is required - make a political party or personage beholden to you, help them gain power, and then the sun will shine on your policy ideas.
People are - in general - too lazy and indolent to engage in democracy properly. They don't hold the government to account, they don't follow politics, and they don't take part. They thus have only themselves to blame when they get hit with the shitty end of the stick one day.
And - as I said before - direct action doesn't force change at all, it leads to you getting your face kicked in by the Public Order squads, and to 'normal' people abandoning any support they had for your cause. ____________________ >Soultrader Mister James, I bet you are a copper
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Even if he is deported to Italy, being part of the EU - he could come straight back again.
It's about time we say to the Human Rights Act |
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| cestrian wrote: | So marching/demonstrating, writing letters, complaining on internet forums, complaining directly to your MP and (for some) praying seems to have no affect at all. Apart from Redliners suggestion of direct action we have no idea of how to force change.
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So tipping my mum's car over is going to help her how, exactly?
The French control their government via obscenely powerful trade unions, and enormous strikes. The recent riots did nothing but incite massive police crackdowns, earn thousands of beatings for dark-skinned immigrants, and burnt lots of innocent people's cars.
Wow, power to the people.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 19 years, 69 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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