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TimT
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 18 Oct 2007    Post subject: Exhausts, Air filters and Power Commanders Reply with quote

evening all,

I want to put an after market can and air filter on my cbr 600 F2, i have been looking at Akrapovic or Arrow exhausts as i've read good reviews on these. Any advice about either of these would be good also if anyone has any other make i should consider please let me know? Does anyone know if the cbr 600 f sport exhaust is the same fitment as the F2?
Not to sure which air filter is best been told k&n are the best to go for? but then thats probably because my friend has one on his bike!
If i put these on do i need a power commander to make the engine run correctly as i've been told by some people i will and others say because my bike has fuel injection the ecu will automatically correct the air/fuel ratio?
cheers for any help.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 18 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sport is a different bike so i wouldn't recomend buying a sport and fitting it to an f2!

Aka s are sooo much better quality than the arrows, most are titanium with either carbon or titanium sleve, and sound so much nicer than the arrows

but are a lot more cash

i seem to remember someone saying BMC race filters are best for akas and k and n for arrows and picercross for micron? but dunno on what that was based!

as for power commander i don't know enouth about them yet but you bike will undoubtedly be better with one as you can tune the maps to your riding style.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 18 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power commanders will make it run alot better. I watched a demonstration at Dynojet near Preston a while ago. Demonstrated what a Power commander does, compared to just ECU. Basically, ECU won't let the bike run dangerously lean, but the the Power Commander will make it (when properly setup) run spot on!

Buy your power commander from the states too, I got mine, brand new, for £125 delivered, throw in tax and it still works out cheaper.
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TimT
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers for the replies, my friend is going states to work for 3 weeks soon so will see if he can bring me a power commander back!
i thought the sport and the f2 were the same with just a few suspension mods and different seat unit?
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't the sport get different engine parts to help with super sport racing??
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Exhausts, Air filters and Power Commanders Reply with quote

TimT wrote:
others say because my bike has fuel injection the ecu will automatically correct the air/fuel ratio?


Depends if it has any feedback from a lambda probe to the ECU. Plenty of fuel injection systems don't and without that the ECU will not have a clue if the bike is running rich or lean.

Even if it does it will only manage to correct it within a small range.

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:17 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bikerland.co.uk/New%20Models%202001/CBR600%20Sport.htm

Differences between the sport and normal CBR600F, in short, quite a lot, so I'd buy one for your bike.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Exhausts, Air filters and Power Commanders Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
TimT wrote:
others say because my bike has fuel injection the ecu will automatically correct the air/fuel ratio?


Depends if it has any feedback from a lambda probe to the ECU. Plenty of fuel injection systems don't and without that the ECU will not have a clue if the bike is running rich or lean.

Even if it does it will only manage to correct it within a small range.

All the best

Keith


My Blade's pipe (Akra) and PC both came with options to properly disable the O2 sensor (plug for the pipe and a terminator for the ECU's O2 sensor circuit).
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Exhausts, Air filters and Power Commanders Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

My Blade's pipe (Akra) and PC both came with options to properly disable the O2 sensor (plug for the pipe and a terminator for the ECU's O2 sensor circuit).


That's because the stock ECU wants the bike to run according to emissions regs.

Once you fit the PCIII it's all about the power and getting the ideal air fuel ratio.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Exhausts, Air filters and Power Commanders Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Hetzer wrote:

My Blade's pipe (Akra) and PC both came with options to properly disable the O2 sensor (plug for the pipe and a terminator for the ECU's O2 sensor circuit).


That's because the stock ECU wants the bike to run according to emissions regs.

Once you fit the PCIII it's all about the power and getting the ideal air fuel ratio.


Yeah. Which is why I paid £15 extra for the terminator. If the O2 sensor isn't disabled it interferes with the PC trying to do it's thing. It still works, but not optimally.

You then need a proper custom map. My BHP went up from 156 to 161 when I had one done, and it runs much better through the entire rev range with more linear poke.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Would think the ECU would freak if you fitted a power commander but left the lambda probe feedback in place. It would decide it was running rich, so lean off the mixture by about as much as the power commander was richening it. Quite possibly out of the range of the allowable adjustment, and quite possibly triggering a fault code of some kind.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:34 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
https://www.bikerland.co.uk/New%20Models%202001/CBR600%20Sport.htm

Differences between the sport and normal CBR600F, in short, quite a lot, so I'd buy one for your bike.


ok so there may be a couple of things different between the two!!
pity, there is an akrapovic can on ebay for the sport at a good price will just have to get a new one nevermind.
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Would think the ECU would freak if you fitted a power commander but left the lambda probe feedback in place. It would decide it was running rich, so lean off the mixture by about as much as the power commander was richening it. Quite possibly out of the range of the allowable adjustment, and quite possibly triggering a fault code of some kind.

All the best

Keith


From what I recall, it causes the infamous "FI Error".
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Kickstart wrote:
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Would think the ECU would freak if you fitted a power commander but left the lambda probe feedback in place. It would decide it was running rich, so lean off the mixture by about as much as the power commander was richening it. Quite possibly out of the range of the allowable adjustment, and quite possibly triggering a fault code of some kind.

All the best

Keith


From what I recall, it causes the infamous "FI Error".

Does tha if you just unplug the exhaust valve/ lamba probe without taking care of the wires too.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I run a pcIII a k&n and a yoshi have seen a 7hp increase Laughing

The main reason I got the pcIII was because it run lean in the first 2500 rpm and lean in the top end so it hesitated a bit.

Now it runs sweet. Karma
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

McGee wrote:
I run a pcIII a k&n and a yoshi have seen a 7hp increase Laughing

The main reason I got the pcIII was because it run lean in the first 2500 rpm and lean in the top end so it hesitated a bit.

Now it runs sweet. Karma


Recon it's worth the price tag though, except for bragging rights?
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Recon it's worth the price tag though, except for bragging rights?


When I brought it yeah.

Now .... when looking back no. Laughing

It made the bike feel smoother twas about it.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 19 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Kickstart wrote:
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Would think the ECU would freak if you fitted a power commander but left the lambda probe feedback in place. It would decide it was running rich, so lean off the mixture by about as much as the power commander was richening it. Quite possibly out of the range of the allowable adjustment, and quite possibly triggering a fault code of some kind.

All the best

Keith


From what I recall, it causes the infamous "FI Error".


I had my PC running on the stock pipe, O2 sensor still connected, and didn't have any problems.
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