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 Posted: 20:53 - 21 Nov 2007  Post subject: Dont get caught speeding in Utah... bbbbZap! |
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https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fae_1195587967&p=1
This is great, its like spot the difference, watch the video and then see how many differences you can spot between the recording and the cops explanation of the events to the 2nd cop at the end.
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I cant see why that guy was tazored!  Apart from a cop who thinks he is invincible 
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| Hetzer wrote: | | nick606 wrote: | ffs if he wasn't such a moaning bitch and did what he said he wouldn't of got tasered and probably just got off with a warning.
The cop was absolutely right on the side of the road is not the place to argue and he was walking away he could of been going to get a gun or drive off and end up killing a family of kittens. You would of all been baying for his blood then. Why should the cop risk getting hurt restraining him when he can just use the taser.
I think the cop did the right thing there and Jesus Christ is everyone in America a wanna be lawyer.
" i will take you to court blah blah blah" |
I do believe observation and common sense would have informed any normal person that the guy wasn't dangerous (ran the plates, female passenger, guy's demeanour, etc etc etc).
But the psycho little scumbag was just itching for an excuse to tazer somebody, because that's the general stamp of the kind of scum who sign up to become pigs. Vicious cowards who use their uniform to satisfy their perverted needs with impunity.
Both those pigs were, quite clearly, sub-human degenerate filth. And those who put them in a position of such power, power which they willfully abuse, are far worse. |
Up until now I thought you spoke a bit of sense. I don't agree with your opinion on this matter. 
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| powelly wrote: | | nick606 wrote: |
The guys attitude stinks. I though the cop was every reasonable. But the guy just didn't want to know. |
Yes the guy was a moron but stupidity is not grounds for being tasered.
The guy asks why he's being ticketed, the cop simply tells him to sign it without explanation.
The guy refuses to sign the ticket, the cop fails to tell him that in the state of utah signing a ticket is not an admision of guilt but failure to do so can result in arrest.
The cop does not tell the guy he is going to be arrested he just tells him to get out of the car which he does.
The guy tries to show the cop where the speed limit sign is and the cop draws is taser and tells him to tuen around and put his hands behind his back.
The guy then turns as instructed while saying what the hell is wrong with you, and starts to walk away. HE STILL HAS NOT BEEN TOLD HE IS UNDER ARREST.
At this point he gets tasered and handcuffed, his care is now the responisbility of the cop yet he leaves him lying in the road and goes to the wife.
its only after the guy is tasered and lying in the road is he told he is being arrested at 3:30
At no point does the cop read the guy his rights (although it would seem they have already gone out of the window.
After all this the copys reason for arresting the guy is that he didnt do as he was told, not that he was speeding or he commited an offence by not signing the ticket.
As far as Im aware you do not have to follow every instruction given by a cop with out at least some justification, if a cop tells you to stand on one leg can he taser you for not doing?
If you happy with this cops actions then fine, just please explain one thing to me, why did he lie to his collegue about the events that had happened? |
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| Posted: 00:57 - 23 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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| -Jamie- wrote: |
Up until now I thought you spoke a bit of sense. I don't agree with your opinion on this matter.
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I have no fear of the reality of human nature, and consequently no need to hide from it by denying it or pretending it ain't so.
Putting on a uniform doesn't somehow miraculously transform a human being into a paragon of virtue. The tragic reality is that most police officers, like politicians, are drawn from the very gutter of our kind. "Those who seek power are least fit to hold it".
Bullies, control-freaks, cowards, the insecure and unstable, they are the kinds of people who are drawn to positions of power, because power enables them to hide and disguise their own failings whilst 'getting even' on those they percieve to be unencumbered by such weaknesses.
Even reasonably decent police officers will resort to using the law they are trusted to fairly enforce as a personal weapon if pushed hard enough. And it's not hard to push them, their egos are about as stable as a two-bob whore's trying to negotiate a four-bob price for blowing a dog.
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| chris-red wrote: | | cestrian wrote: | "Won't be long before the uniformed filth in this country feel they've got enough leeway to start pulling the same crap" - Hetzer
Jean Charles De Menezes, illegally shot ten times in the head after senior police officer Cressida Dick introduced the shoot to kill policy of corpus juris of the EU. |
You mean a guy running from armed police? Into a station not long after the other london bombings, I would have put him down too. |
That was pig lies, disinformation and criminal perjury. The guy didn't run, he walked.
Then a couple of psychotic filth murdered him, for kicks. There wasn't an order given to shoot him, they did it off their own backs. For kicks. Up until I learned that from the trial I held them blameless, believing that they'd been told over their radios to shoot him. They were given no such order.
Thin jacket, no bag, no place he could have possibly been concealing a bomb. Just an innocent man and a pair of psychotic filth who'd been given guns and a state licence to murder.
Put them in a room with me, bare handed, they wouldn't walk out.
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| chris-red wrote: | | cestrian wrote: | "Won't be long before the uniformed filth in this country feel they've got enough leeway to start pulling the same crap" - Hetzer
Jean Charles De Menezes, illegally shot ten times in the head after senior police officer Cressida Dick introduced the shoot to kill policy of corpus juris of the EU. |
You mean a guy running from armed police? Into a station not long after the other london bombings, I would have put him down too. |
Chris, as Hetzer pointed out, the man was totally innocent, he did nothing more suspicious than many others do on a daily basis.
Common law in the UK has told us for many years that it is illegal to shoot to kill. However, as pointed out earlier in the thread, top-cop Cressida Dick introduced EU law (corpus juris) to replace our common law thereby giving the the police the right to shoot to kill.
In other words, De Menezes (if he really was suspected of being guilty) should have been stopped, arrested, handcuffed and carted off to a police station to be judged by his peers later. Instead, he was illegally shot dead with no less than 10 rounds to the head.
So the question arises, what have the police and the government gained from this experience? Clue.....shot dead with no less than 10 rounds to the head. |
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Jesus Christ. Can we stop with this shit?
In this video, the guy thinks he can tell the cop how to do his job and not sign a ticket at the officer's request. After having exited the car, the man continues to argue with the officer, and then attempts to get back in the car while being ordered to do otherwise. Being that the man did not comply with his requests, the officer was 100% within his rights to use the taser in this instance. As they have been in EVERY SINGLE TASER VIDEO I've seen on these forums. Granted, it wasn't 100% necessary, as once the man returned to his vehicle he probably wouldn't have taken off with his wife and daughter in the car, but that's not the officer's call to make. His job is to ensure that the suspect comply with his demands, which were legitimate. If the man had not signed the ticket and the officer had just let him go, he would have been up for disciplinary action.
In this country, we respect our police. They are not to be argued with or ignored. You do as they say, and if you believe they are in the wrong, you argue it in court. If you fight back you will be tased, maced, etc. Not too complicated a system in my opinion.
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| california_rookie wrote: | Jesus Christ. Can we stop with this shit?
In this video, the guy thinks he can tell the cop how to do his job and not sign a ticket at the officer's request. After having exited the car, the man continues to argue with the officer, and then attempts to get back in the car while being ordered to do otherwise. Being that the man did not comply with his requests, the officer was 100% within his rights to use the taser in this instance. As they have been in EVERY SINGLE TASER VIDEO I've seen on these forums. Granted, it wasn't 100% necessary, as once the man returned to his vehicle he probably wouldn't have taken off with his wife and daughter in the car, but that's not the officer's call to make. His job is to ensure that the suspect comply with his demands, which were legitimate. If the man had not signed the ticket and the officer had just let him go, he would have been up for disciplinary action.
In this country, we respect our police. They are not to be argued with or ignored. You do as they say, and if you believe they are in the wrong, you argue it in court. If you fight back you will be tased, maced, etc. Not too complicated a system in my opinion. |
Ok simple question then, if the cop was so right in his action why did he lie to his collegue about the events that had happened?
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| Quote: | You do as they say, and if you believe they are in the wrong, you argue it in court. |
So your police are dictators?If the police man in question ordered you to jump of a cliff would you do it then argue your case in court?
I'd a friend who was in Miami, a nurse at that, who stopped at the scene of an accident, as she is ethically obliged too and then get arrested as the perpetrator of the accident.
She got handcuffed and slung in police cells, then transferred to a fucking prison until the court hearing. She was then forced to endure three days of being repeatedly told she had to sign a document admitting guilt or they would not let her go. She got handcuffed next to fucking murderers whilst being transferred, got subjected to regular man handling and refused any access to a telephone to contact the British Embassy, family or lawyer.
It wasn't until her family actually was able to locate her that she finally got a lawyer, who is still fighting to prove her innocence.
Had she done as the police ordered, which was in this case admit to causing the accident then she could have lost her job in the UK for having a criminal record.
The cop could have tried to get compliance using tact and intelligence instead of brutalising a guy for breaking a speed limit.
Innocent till proven guilty, my arse |
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