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| powelly wrote: |
Ok simple question then, if the cop was so right in his action why did he lie to his collegue about the events that had happened? |
The only thing I saw as less than accurate was the part about him "jumping around" or whatever it was. Seemed more like an exaggeration to me. Regardless, that's why the dash cam is there.
| mr jamez wrote: | Sounds like fear rather than respect  |
Couldn't be farther from the truth. I've had several personal experiences with traffic officers, all of which have been pleasant and uneventful, due in part to my behaving appropriately for the given situation. Which does not include arguing with or ignoring an officer of the law.
| craigie b wrote: | So your police are dictators?If the police man in question ordered you to jump of a cliff would you do it then argue your case in court?
I'd a friend who was in Miami, a nurse at that, who stopped at the scene of an accident, as she is ethically obliged too and then get arrested as the perpetrator of the accident.
She got handcuffed and slung in police cells, then transferred to a fucking prison until the court hearing. She was then forced to endure three days of being repeatedly told she had to sign a document admitting guilt or they would not let her go. She got handcuffed next to fucking murderers whilst being transferred, got subjected to regular man handling and refused any access to a telephone to contact the British Embassy, family or lawyer.
It wasn't until her family actually was able to locate her that she finally got a lawyer, who is still fighting to prove her innocence.
Had she done as the police ordered, which was in this case admit to causing the accident then she could have lost her job in the UK for having a criminal record.
The cop could have tried to get compliance using tact and intelligence instead of brutalising a guy for breaking a speed limit.
Innocent till proven guilty, my arse  |
A patronizing comment followed by two paragraphs of hearsay. What exactly do you want me to say to that?
| craigie b wrote: |
Thats not actually true.......
| Quote: | In the event that a motorist refuses to sign, a trooper can simply write "refuses to sign" on the citation, which is then given to the driver, or they can chose to arrest the motorist |
https://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_7531125
The officer could have handed the ticket to the driver unsigned. More over, its unlikely a man with a heavily pregnant wife and 15 month old child is going to lead the police on a high speed chase over a speeding ticket. I'd call it a fairly safe educated guess, but who knows.
Even the regulations on the use of a taser, which are....
| Quote: | * When a person is a threat to themselves, an officer or another person.
* In cases where the physical use of force would endanger the person or someone else.
* When other means of lesser or equal force by the officer has been ineffective and a threat still exists. |
Exactly which one of these reasons could you cite as his definitive use of the taser? |
While that is technically true, it's far from encouraged. And what would you rather he have done aside from using the taser, wrestle the man out of the car inches from his wife and child, then cuff him while in traffic? Yeah, that's much better. When someone walks away from an officer, in the direction of an escape vehicle, refusing to comply with the officer's orders and reaching into his pocket, that's when cops get killed. Regardless of who's in the vehicle and what's in his pocket. Standard police procedure. He should just be glad it was today and with a taser, rather than 20 years ago and with a real gun and no blooper reel.
And the US is pretty damned far from being a police state.
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| Posted: 05:39 - 25 Nov 2007 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | A patronizing comment followed by two paragraphs of hearsay. What exactly do you want me to say to that? |
My initial point stands. You say you should follow police orders unquestionably. I gave you an example and you refuse to answer it-would you jump of a cliff if ordered by a police man? Its not patronising, its a fair question. How about justifying your stance rather than simply throwing mud?
| Quote: | And what would you rather he have done aside from using the taser, wrestle the man out of the car inches from his wife and child, then cuff him while in traffic? |
I hoped you'd point that out, as it suggests you can only see violence as the only other possible solution when without much thought there were two other very easy options.
1.Write "refused to sign" on the ticket and hand it to the motorist.
2.Calm the guy down, by not shouting at him. Ask the other officer to secure the vehicle and engage the wife in conversation. Ask him to move off the road so they can then discuss the issue. If he felt a married man, pregnant wife and 15 month year old child were that much of a threat, then politely inform the man that before proceeding to the sign he would like to search him for weapons. Walk the guy back and spend 5 minutes showing him the sign, get him to agree he was speeding and then sign the ticket. The trooper gets a result whilst the guy would probably apologise.
All in all, the above idea would have been a far more efficient use of the Troopers time and a far more intelligent approach than simply bullying and violence.
Instead, the guy gets tasered, whilst still on the road, so the guy is actually in more danger from being hit by a vehicle as he lies convulsing on the floor whilst putting his wife and children through considerable stress. |
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No, craigie, I wouldn't jump off a fucking cliff if an officer asked me to. What are you, fucking five? And all that crap you rattled off that the officer should have done are not his job to do. Officers of the law are not babysitters for those with less common sense than fingers on thier hands. You can cry on all fucking day about how it wasn't fair, etc. etc. but, at the end of the day, the officer did his job as he was instructed to do it and how I would expect it to be done were I in the "suspect's" position.
powelly, it's not bending over and accepting it if you fight it in court. The fact is, that right there, with the officer, in the street, is not the place to argue your case. Regardless, I don't believe that's what was happening in the video, assuming that's what you were getting at. And yes, surprisingly enough, I don't believe all cops are to be trusted, as they are only human. Which is why I think the dash cam's are a great idea.
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